I watched "Schooled" and loved it but, the handlebars low for boondocking seems weird
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elvis1280
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good call hatchers, 700 you have not been using you sled to its full potential till you watch this movie. wrong foot forward is: if i am doing a downhill u turn or a sidehill left. i am leaning the sled to the left, but my right foot is on the left runnning board. with my left foot off the sled using as a runner or a push or just dragging. which ever side of the sled your on, you inside foot is on the board the other you use for balance.
watch the movie
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elvis1280
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thank for the picture saber. exactly
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I think there are some variables. I am 6'2" and 220. I dont have any problem muscling an M sled around. With just the 3" riser I can stand up straight, and still have all of my wieght over the bars. I didn't have any trouble in the trees yesterday
I have Back Country Adventures 1 And 2, dont have Schooled though. I was unsure of which of his techniques was called the wrong foot forward.
Amazing rider.
just watched it. amazing footage, commentary and obviously great riders. one thing you have to understand is, most of the manuvers they do that are super amazing are done in spring or wet snow conditions. dont get me wrong, they did some in the pow too but, the most difficult were done when it was warm and wet. watch the snow, the water, and sluff off the tracks.
you can see the sled will take a set in the snow and they can actually park them on steep terrain angles. wet snow helps this. also look at the snow in the footage, some has freshies over very dirty snow just shows you how packed the snow was, and how late in the season some of the footage is from.
also the terrain they are filming this we could never do half of what they do with our stock motored sleds. obviously their machines are all turboed up. plus some have ez ride suspensions, they were even riding 2010 seated 09's and 2010 proto sleds. they were doing some serious late season testing for cat in this.
with all that, i wished on my best day i could do a small percentage of what these two craftsman can do. (and yes that is what they are, masters of THEIR craft). this is a good eye opening tease to what you can do on a sled. would love to spend the coin for a weekend with one or both of these guys.
obviously they have ALOT to share, i hope this isnt the last schooling vid they put out. a series would be awesome!!!
are you listening brett, chris?????
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you can see the sled will take a set in the snow and they can actually park them on steep terrain angles. wet snow helps this. also look at the snow in the footage, some has freshies over very dirty snow just shows you how packed the snow was, and how late in the season some of the footage is from.
also the terrain they are filming this we could never do half of what they do with our stock motored sleds. obviously their machines are all turboed up. plus some have ez ride suspensions, they were even riding 2010 seated 09's and 2010 proto sleds. they were doing some serious late season testing for cat in this.
with all that, i wished on my best day i could do a small percentage of what these two craftsman can do. (and yes that is what they are, masters of THEIR craft). this is a good eye opening tease to what you can do on a sled. would love to spend the coin for a weekend with one or both of these guys.
obviously they have ALOT to share, i hope this isnt the last schooling vid they put out. a series would be awesome!!!
are you listening brett, chris?????
ski
I agree with both sides.
I put a adjustable riser on my 900 that adjusted from 5 inches to 7 ½ inches. I found the top one was harder to control the sled. I always left it in the low position. But stock would be way to low for me. I would go home all hunched over for a week after riding it (6” 3”). I put a 4 inch riser on my 1000 and love it.
I put a adjustable riser on my 900 that adjusted from 5 inches to 7 ½ inches. I found the top one was harder to control the sled. I always left it in the low position. But stock would be way to low for me. I would go home all hunched over for a week after riding it (6” 3”). I put a 4 inch riser on my 1000 and love it.
I need to ride more to play with the bar height.
On my RX-1 my bars are so high that when I stand on the running boards that my forearms are parallel with the ground. That way I can just turn at the waist using my hips to turn the big SOB. I love it.
This reaching down and barely being able to touch the bars stance just doesn't seem like you could exert much leverage on the bars with the lever so low.
It's much easier to tip over a sailboat with a tall mast than one with a short mast. There's just more leverage as you get further from the fulcrum.
However, I do promise to try to ride with the bars down as far as they go (but, I have a 2" AMP riser).
On my RX-1 my bars are so high that when I stand on the running boards that my forearms are parallel with the ground. That way I can just turn at the waist using my hips to turn the big SOB. I love it.
This reaching down and barely being able to touch the bars stance just doesn't seem like you could exert much leverage on the bars with the lever so low.
It's much easier to tip over a sailboat with a tall mast than one with a short mast. There's just more leverage as you get further from the fulcrum.
However, I do promise to try to ride with the bars down as far as they go (but, I have a 2" AMP riser).
On my 07 m1000 with Gen II skis on it, it took about a month for me to learn how to ride it (my first M-series also) But By the time I figured it out I hardly ever did one movement at once (A lot of it has to do reading the terrain and being able to set yourself up early, sometimes in a split second) when if you use the sled right you can easily throw your weight to one side and flick the handle bars and be on one ski, then just balance your weight and counter steer.
The biggest thing I have found with doing all this is having the balls to do it, and telling yourself if they did I will and go to the next step. I have to talk myself up the beginning of every year.
The biggest thing I have found with doing all this is having the balls to do it, and telling yourself if they did I will and go to the next step. I have to talk myself up the beginning of every year.
I think a big reason for the low bars is these two ride sidehills like we ride flat land.
In doing so, they use the wrong foot forward (vs. straddling the seat) and hang out over the side of the sled. I think that's a big reason for the low bars.
In doing so, they use the wrong foot forward (vs. straddling the seat) and hang out over the side of the sled. I think that's a big reason for the low bars.
dont kid yourself. the reason they ride low bars is cause they are shorter. The lower bars fit best to allow maximum torq for their height.
at 6'4 the high bars allow maximum torq for me at my height.
there is a direct ratio of your height and arm length to handle bar positioning for maximum torq. Its different for everyone.
Have bad back, need to ride standing all the time, bars comfortable height for standing, would get a sore back riding with low bars.
Not all the time, with tall bars if you catch a hump or something that throws your weight and the weight of the sled down hill the taller bars have more leverage over you and if it pulls you past your balance point your done.
Look at it this way, Looking at the back of the sled and you draw a vertical line at the center of the handle bars, then put the the sled on a 20* slope and the line will lean as well, but the farther up(higher bars) the farther down hill the handle bars are. I'm 6'6" and have had it happen to me with a 5.5" riser, rarely happens with a 4.5" riser and I'm thinking 3.75-4" might be the best all around.
If your standing straight up and the bars are in your hands its to tall, as you will never get the full leverage of your body.
Ride with them however you want. It is not set in stone that you have to ride with low bars because Burandt is. I am sure he has a point but it doesn't necessarily work for everyone. I broke my back years ago so low bars suck for me. I by no means ride with ape hangers. They should start making burandt masks so everyone can match him completely. Don't get me wrong, I think Burandt and rassmussen are at the top.
Their theory is very sound, and works well for them, however may not work well for others. I think their main point is don't go to extremes with the height. Do what is comfortable and with what works for you. I just installed the AMP 3" on my stock setup 07 M8. I don't like riding it with the stock seat when I'm sitting while riding on the trail, but as soon as I stood up and started banging through the trees and sidehilling, I absolutely loved it. So that just confirms that I need a taller seat.
One other thing I noticed while watching the Schooled vid, was it looks like there are some risers on some of the sleds. Watch it again and take a look at it.
One other thing I noticed while watching the Schooled vid, was it looks like there are some risers on some of the sleds. Watch it again and take a look at it.
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CATastrophe
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I rode w/Chris last April and that was the first thing he told us.
you think you are getting more leverage on the sled with the bars up but its actually the other way around. you are giving the sled more leverage over you and it will win every time. Try this: stop somewhere with a bit of room to move, with your skis hard right, put your right foot on left tunnel board and rip the gas for about 2 secs, the bars will come up in your hands with out even pulling on them...i weigh 145lbs soaking wet with all my gear on..
and I can sidehill like I've been doing it all my life.. thanks to that technique.
its hard to get over the fear of turning the skis opposite the way you want to go especially in sketchy situations but the more i do it the more confident i get. oh yeah '09 M8 LE and this is only my second season riding
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CATastrophe
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