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How wolves affect snowmobiling....

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Yeah - it does appear that this un-native predator is fit enough to nearly kill off a native species. Then the cycle is that they will kill themselves when they out-eat their foodsource, or so is typical with most species but most likely not so for the wolf, according to the F&G officer in one of the videos and he's not the first we've heard say that.

I really do believe this is a bad situation - for the elk and the next species. I'm not so concerned about humans here b/c there have always been threats from bears and cougars. It is a good idea to always carry a gun - even when snowmobiling. However, the video on the hardly eaten dead dear that was killed only 190 feet from 3 children's bus stop is very unnerving and makes me rethink my concern for human safety. If they were hungry enough to come into cilivization for food - why didnt they consume the entire carcuss? And then the 2 women circled by them, one of their dogs getting attacked and all very close to civilization.

And then when we hear some scientist blaming snowmobiles for declining elk populations like at the Payetter River National Forest Travel Plan meeting in Council many months ago, I get aggrevated. Luckily another scientist set him in his place. And that is another thing, if you read the scientific studies - it is becoming apparent this is a unhealthy situtation and not natural. Wolves can and do coexist with other species but do they typically deplete them?
 
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The enviro groups are of course never satisfied. How could they do without their rallying cry to send money to save wolves and the well paying staff jobs for their groups. That's really why there will never ever be enough wilderness, critters, trees or causes for them to crusade for. They're already making plans by ELEVEN groups to sue against the US Fish and Wildlife Service wolf delisting - http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2008/2008-02-27-092.asp
They certainly breed fast but apparently that's not good enough for some......
"The delisting by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service affects Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, where the wolf population has soared to more than 1,500, including at least 100 breeding pairs.
They are descendants of a handful of Canadian wolves that recolonized northwest Montana in the early 1980s and 66 wolves that were reintroduced in northwest Wyoming and central Idaho in the mid-1990s."
Oh, since grey wolves are in such 'short' supply there's another 6-7,000 in AK, 5,000 plus total in the lower 48 and only another 60,000-70,000 in Canada. :eek:
 
Ya there is alot of them around here. People say there is only a few in montana and that they need to be protected...thats alota bs. The ranchers around here are geting so sick of them and the bears eating their cattle and sheep they are about to open fire on the wolves soon if nothing gets done. Shoot shovle and shut up is the motto around here! lol shhhh dont tell anyone i said that lol
 
Oh - I am gonna hate myself in the morning for adding this fuel to the fire......

What a total crock website. The one study that they refer to that says Elk in Banff National Park will become extinct because of the introduction of the wolf actually comes to the opposite conclusion. I quote from the summary:

"Thus, conservation strategies based on the trophic importance of large carnivores have increased support in terrestrial ecosystems."

Meaning - in laymans terms - th re-introduction of large carnivorves has a positive effect on the ecosystem. Maybe they should have read the study before they referenced it.

This is just the same "over the top" rethoric you get from the greenies as well. Maybe the "truth" is somewhere down the middle.

Sounds like R-CALF must be behind that website. First we Canadians send down mad cows, and now wolves with super powers!
 
I"ll have one of the Montana wolf tags before the ink is dry...next month. (As long as the injuctions don't hold it up.)
 
I'll copy and paste my last post.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0830114825.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0510184013.htm

I'm sorry but that "save our elk" website is absolute tripe. It's not referencing any scientific documents, other than a few pictures showing wolf chases and a graph showing a decline in the Banff elk population, which was absolutely out of control to begin with. I agree with that, seeing as I grew up in Banff, and the herd needed to be culled. It was not a direct result of the wolf population. Not only that, but it's asking for donations so they can conduct their own scientific studies, seeing as there seems to be none available that support their theories.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/na...2f7d0f&k=74729

As far as the Idaho game population goes....

http://www.billingsgazette.net/artic...ing/60-elk.txt

http://www.couleenews.com/articles/2...n/00wolves.txt

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005113772

Before you let some sensationalism form your opinion, read both sides of it. Yes, wolf populations are higher than in the past and yes, some of the population MAY need to be culled. But throwing out blanket statements (herds are being decimated due to wolves") on the "saveourelk" website are not only misleading, they're irresponsible.
 
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Yeah, I do think the save our elk website has a fair amount of propaganda...I agree with you.

Hmmm, but I wonder if the envrionmental groups would ever try that?
 
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Hmmm, but I wonder if the envrionmental groups would ever try that?
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Absolutely. Both sides are guilty of funding and propagating their own "research" to support their positions. It's the oldest trick in the book.

I only suggest you read both sides, check the sources, and form an opinion based on what you read.
 
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Sounds like nature is taking course, whats wrong with that?
They cant handle that? It used to snow deeply all the time, elk wont walk in that deep of snow no matter what, wolves or not.
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Statement like that right there proves you don't spend much time in the winter range with wildlife and know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about. I have seen elk walking a trail in the snow that is 8 ft deep and their ears don't even stick out the top. This used to be a pretty common sight when we were cougar hunting years ago but now with the wolves competing with the cougars for the deer and elk, they have created a pattern of the deer and elk to move in closer to civilization to winter under the safety of humans. This has caused the cougars to hang back but the wolves are more bold, thus the german shepard that was killed in centerville last week.
 
Around Centerville, the wolves are pushing other wolf packs closer to humans. There's 40 wolves between Boise and Lowman. We even have a pack up here in Robie Creek.
 
Just another Bullsheit message!! Trying to fool you into believing wolves are decimating the poor little elk!! It's no reason to close an area, just an excuse and a lame attempt to shift the blame. We got lots of wolves and coyotes and yet the last count on the refuge was WAY over capacity!!? Must be the wolves?? Just shift the blame and divide and conquer and ..............now a closed area. Wolves ain't out to get you or me, no matter what!!..unless your wearin a red hood maybe?
 
wolfs

had one in my driveway last year just west of Denver,CO in the foothills of Coal Creek Canyon....a wolf that is....they have spread farther and quicker than the experts realize
 
And people (sheep that follow the media) don't believe it.

Remember the big 750lb Grizzly killed up Kelly Creek in Idaho this fall?

Idaho fish and game says there are no grizzlies in the Selway range. They think the Montana/Idaho divide is actually a FENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!


Snowmark said:
had one in my driveway last year just west of Denver,CO in the foothills of Coal Creek Canyon....a wolf that is....they have
spread farther and quicker than the experts realize
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