I am very interested in these mountain hawks but was wondering how they stack up to the 800 class mountain sleds? Climbing, boondocking, powder????
How do these hawks compare to mountain sleds
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TLKDPROD
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Hi Arcticcat38,
I think I could write paragraphs on how stock Hawks or modded mtn Hawk compare to sleds but I'll just keep it simple :
Any Snow-Hawk out there is in a classe of its own due to the fact that it allows the rider to actually ride so much more areas of the mountain (not just that long straight uphill pull & flat boondocking). And the only way to realize that is to throw a leg over one and get good enough (it will take you a day probably) and you'll never go back to a sled... Some Hawkers on this forum were sledders before and never went back.
Now as an answer to your question : My 800 144" Hawk keeps up no problem with the 146-154" sleds. BUT, a stock, "out of the box" "Mtn hawk" (which would be the same fkn thing as a 136er but with a longer track) will suck big time. If you ever get one and need help tuning it to where the performance should be, this forum can get you going no problem !
I think I could write paragraphs on how stock Hawks or modded mtn Hawk compare to sleds but I'll just keep it simple :
Any Snow-Hawk out there is in a classe of its own due to the fact that it allows the rider to actually ride so much more areas of the mountain (not just that long straight uphill pull & flat boondocking). And the only way to realize that is to throw a leg over one and get good enough (it will take you a day probably) and you'll never go back to a sled... Some Hawkers on this forum were sledders before and never went back.
Now as an answer to your question : My 800 144" Hawk keeps up no problem with the 146-154" sleds. BUT, a stock, "out of the box" "Mtn hawk" (which would be the same fkn thing as a 136er but with a longer track) will suck big time. If you ever get one and need help tuning it to where the performance should be, this forum can get you going no problem !
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Lambert454
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Iv always wanted to try one, just never got the chance too. They look really fun! The video was pretty cool, but can they climb like sleds can? What about in tight trees are they stable and powerfull enough to get you out of sticky situations? The reason I ask is because all the videos iv seen are mostly on pretty flat ground? Lets see some big climbs and tech. tree riding. Wish I had one to play on...
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Hawks look kinda heavy. I had the opportunity to try an Explorer kit on a drz450 and I was rather surprised how well it did.
Don't get me wrong, there's no way in hell i'd give up a good mtn sled with 150-something inches of track, but for early season and spring riding, those are the way to go.
Don't get me wrong, there's no way in hell i'd give up a good mtn sled with 150-something inches of track, but for early season and spring riding, those are the way to go.
Very cool Youtube page. Correct me if I'm wrong but dont the Hawks come in a 151 also. As for the same as a 136 you are talking about the footprint, correct?
You will find a few hawk riders on here that went the bike kit route first, both the explorer and the higher end 2moto..They are fun but really dont compare to the "heavy" Hawk..Did someone say tight trees???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZCMmgVLO2U&feature=channel_page
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TLKDPROD
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They call them "mountain" versus "trail, enduro or '07 top gun" because of these 4 things :
- a 13" wide Challenger extreme 2.25" track, available in 144, 151 and 159" lengths (versus 12.5" wide by 136").
- The "Attack" from Holtzman already installed (to compensate for the altitude) (This is a patch according to me for not going with a motor with the good DPM module or whatever they call it already installed)
- A 15$ footpeg bracket set that allows you to put footpegs further back
- 28-56 final gearing (30-56 for the enduro and 32-56 for the trail)
Everything else is the same... that includes clutching... Sure you're gonna clutch a 136 trail sled at sea level the same way you'd do a 159 at 7000'... Guys at ADB probably thought the gearing would compensate ! Hahahahah ! No chit, stock clutching is way off for the mountains.
There's a solution to every problem though ! A nicely tuned "mountain" Hawk is the ultimate ride in the fresh pow. Best of both worlds between sled & snowbike conversion kit and according to me : the ultimate toy a guy needs in his garage.
- a 13" wide Challenger extreme 2.25" track, available in 144, 151 and 159" lengths (versus 12.5" wide by 136").
- The "Attack" from Holtzman already installed (to compensate for the altitude) (This is a patch according to me for not going with a motor with the good DPM module or whatever they call it already installed)
- A 15$ footpeg bracket set that allows you to put footpegs further back
- 28-56 final gearing (30-56 for the enduro and 32-56 for the trail)
Everything else is the same... that includes clutching... Sure you're gonna clutch a 136 trail sled at sea level the same way you'd do a 159 at 7000'... Guys at ADB probably thought the gearing would compensate ! Hahahahah ! No chit, stock clutching is way off for the mountains.
There's a solution to every problem though ! A nicely tuned "mountain" Hawk is the ultimate ride in the fresh pow. Best of both worlds between sled & snowbike conversion kit and according to me : the ultimate toy a guy needs in his garage.
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AAAAAAAmen Bro. I love talking to guys in there 40s who got off there sled and really gave a hawk a try, because like said above most never go back. I for sure will not ride a sled again. Hawks are not for everyone but try one with an open mind and for more than 1 minute. They won't point and shoot straight up like a sled cause of the narrower track but everything else is better when you get used to it.
AAAAAAAmen Bro. I love talking to guys in there 40s who got off there sled and really gave a hawk a try, because like said above most never go back. I for sure will not ride a sled again. Hawks are not for everyone but try one with an open mind and for more than 1 minute. They won't point and shoot straight up like a sled cause of the narrower track but everything else is better when you get used to it.
The bigger is better idea doesnt apply to a Hawk. Others I'm sure will comment but a 136 is fine. In my opinion the 600 is a little to cumbersome on the weight so I dropped the suspension 2" . 800 is heavier. Many riders claim a 500 and the short track is fine . I question that a little but a 500 fanner 121 at 12 inches wide will run like a phazer sled .My 600 136 will run like a 700 144 and on a flat drag will take a 800 to 50mph. Bikes and quads are two different animals and are liked accordinally.
I think anything with handlebars kicks a$$!
right on!! and we shall all be friends and ride them together before the govt shuts us all down and the land we ride....
right on!! and we shall all be friends and ride them together before the govt shuts us all down and the land we ride....
Not for everyone
you half to brake a sweat to ride a Hawk
you half to brake a sweat to ride a Hawk
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