I'm suprised this day in age that MFG's are still building/producing outwear with such poor Water pillars and breathability. There's over 70 materials on the market (in Ski, snowboard industry) that have well over 30,000 mm. Theres a Burton Gore material thats 40,000. Yet, i see company's saying "waterproof" but read the fine print and its 10,000 or 15,000 Max. If you ride in the climate like Revy, Golden, Fernie etc has, 10,000 will not cut it. I see Polaris and FXR have stepped up to 20,000 mm pillar and 20,000 mm breathability, just wish these other companies that have some nice designs and good cuts would stop making them with bottom of the barrel materials. We all get bored of the run of the mill Klim stuff, read it daily, feel the same way but i cant see anyone thats had Gore XCR (23,000 + WP & BR) be happy going to a material thats half as good and half as waterproof.