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History is being repeated

In 1956 many of us read and listened to news of the courageous Hungarian Freedom fighters with the hope our president would support them, this was Dwight Davids response;On November 2, 1956, the U.S. State Department sent this cable to Marshal Tito of Yugoslavia that sealed Hungary's fate: "The government of the United States does not look with favor upon governments unfriendly to the Soviet Union on the borders of the Soviet Union." That gave the Soviet Union the green light to return with full military force, secure in the knowledge that the United States would do nothing to save the free Hungarian government.
At 4 a.m. on November 4, the Russians roared back into Budapest with 200,000 soldiers (including trigger-happy troops from Mongolia), 5,000 tanks, and masses of heavy artillery. They were directed by Nikita Khrushchev, known forever after as "the butcher of Budapest."
Radio Budapest appealed to the United States and the United Nations: "We ask you to help us, to support us. Time is short. Help Hungary, help us, help us. . ." But nobody answered their desperate cries for help.

In 1961 we watched the brave cuban freedom fighters attempt to take Cuba back from Castro. After pledging support JFK left the fighters without support in the bay of pigs where most were killed or captured due to the bumbling of the JFK administration and thousands were than executed including some Americans. That was Kennedy's response
This week thousands of brave Iranians began protesting and are in the process of being killed or imprisoned or both and what does our president say:
we cannot be involved in the affairs in Iran. That is it. frightenly similar to Eisenhour's response for Hungary.

Now how Ronald Reagan Handled the Polish uprising in 1981:

As I speak to you tonight, the fate of a proud and ancient nation hangs in the balance. For a thousand years, Christmas has been celebrated in Poland, a land of deep religious faith, but this Christmas brings little joy to the courageous Polish people. They have been betrayed by their own government.
The men who rule them and their totalitarian allies fear the very freedom that the Polish people cherish. They have answered the stirrings of liberty with brute force, killings, mass arrests, and the setting up of concentration camps. Lech Walesa and other Solidarity leaders are imprisoned, their fate unknown. Factories, mines, universities, and homes have been assaulted.
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The target of this depression [repression] is the Solidarity Movement, but in attacking Solidarity its enemies attack an entire people. Ten million of Poland's 36 million citizens are members of Solidarity. Taken together with their families, they account for the overwhelming majority of the Polish nation. By persecuting Solidarity the Polish Government wages war against its own people.
I urge the Polish Government and its allies to consider the consequences of their actions. How can they possibly justify using naked force to crush a people who ask for nothing more than the right to lead their own lives in freedom and dignity? Brute force may intimidate, but it cannot form the basis of an enduring society, and the ailing Polish economy cannot be rebuilt with terror tactics.
I want emphatically to state tonight that if the outrages in Poland do not cease, we cannot and will not conduct "business as usual'' with the perpetrators and those who aid and abet them. Make no mistake, their crime will cost them dearly in their future dealings with America and free peoples everywhere. I do not make this statement lightly or without serious reflection.

Why can't this history repeat itself? It is clear this speach began the unraveling of the old soviet empire. Many documents released since then have shown that if the US had backed the Hungarian freedom fighters the situation would have been completely different as the russians were of the opinion they were not capable of sustaining aggression against the US.
Thanks Dwight David Eisenhour, John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Barack Hussein Obama. Swampy:mad::mad:
 
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I'm bummed for the Iranian people who want freedom because Obama doesn't want to get involved. Getting involved by telling Israel to stop building settlements if fine though.

BTW, every time BHO says "there is indisputable truth" or "republicans and democrats agree" I know he's lying.
 
What if the Iranian people really DID re-elect the nutcase? Then we would be interfearing with the desire of the people. Until we know with certainty.....
 
unfortunately many will be executed just for speaking out ....Obama will sit idly by so as to show us what happens to those that disobey ..then it will happen here ..

isn't it an exciting time to be alive .......the end is near
 
What if the Iranian people really DID re-elect the nutcase? Then we would be interfearing with the desire of the people. Until we know with certainty.....
except for the fact that some 39 million people voted, on paper ballots, and the results were announced 1 hour after the polling stations closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not a scam at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
 
in 81 they executed over 7000 people for dissagreeing with the Shaw of Iran ,wonder what the headlines will read next week
 
What if the Iranian people really DID re-elect the nutcase? Then we would be interfearing with the desire of the people. Until we know with certainty.....

Hard to say, but...
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Yes. Support for Ahmadinejad was strangely consistent across the country, a real change from previous elections, when candidates drew different levels of support in different regions.

There were several other puzzlers in the results:

• According to official figures, Ahmadinejad handily beat Mousavi in Mousavi's hometown of Tabriz — a shocking result, given the candidate's popularity in his own region.

• Ahmadinejad beat Mousavi in the big cities, even though Iran's very limited polling and anecdotal evidence indicate that Mousavi is far more popular than the President in cities.

• The official figures put support for the other main reformist candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, at below 1%. That is far less than what was expected, and a drastic departure from the pattern in previous elections.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1904645_1904644_1904639,00.html

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By JASON KEYSER, Associated Press Writer Jason Keyser, Associated Press Writer – Mon Jun 15, 7:20 pm ET

CAIRO – How do you count almost 40 million handwritten paper ballots in a matter of hours and declare a winner? That's a key question in Iran's disputed presidential election.

International polling experts and Iran analysts said the speed of the vote count, coupled with a lack of detailed election data normally released by officials, was fueling suspicion around President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's landslide victory...

Mousavi's newspaper, Kalemeh Sabz, or the Green Word, reported on its Web site that more than 10 million votes were missing national identification numbers similar to U.S. Social Security numbers, which make the votes "untraceable." It did not say how it knew that information.

Mousavi said some polling stations closed early with voters still in line, and he charged that representatives of his campaign were expelled from polling centers even though each candidate was allowed one observer at each location. He has not provided evidence to support the accusations.

His supporters have reported intimidation by security forces who maintained a strong presence around polling stations.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_fraud_allegations
 
What if the Iranian people really DID re-elect the nutcase? Then we would be interfearing with the desire of the people. Until we know with certainty.....

Radio Budapest appealed to the United States and the United Nations: "We ask you to help us, to support us. Time is short. Help Hungary, help us, help us. . ." But nobody answered their desperate cries for help.

You missunderstand the message of Ronald Reagan, He was not going to Invade Poland he merely let the freedom fighters know we supported their efforts and there would not be business as usual with russia as long as they continued to oppress the Pols. Released documents clearly show the uprising collapsed in Hungary specifically because the president let russia know he would not support the Hungarians. It is necessary Obama simply follow the words of Reagan and let the Iranians know we support their sacrafices, that is the only way we can win the hearts of the Iranian people. Swampy :confused:
 
except for the fact that some 39 million people voted, on paper ballots, and the results were announced 1 hour after the polling stations closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not a scam at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:


So some one did pay attention to the so called United States voting process after all ;)
 
Since Jimmy Carter undermined the Shah he left Iran in 1979, anyone executed on that date was done so by the Ayotollas, who are actually in charge today. Swampy:eek:



in 81 they executed over 7000 people for dissagreeing with the Shaw of Iran ,wonder what the headlines will read next week
 
None of those President's had two wars to fight already. The last thing this country needs is another war. We're going to start giving the impression that we want to take over the world if we keep invading other countries.
 
None of those President's had two wars to fight already. The last thing this country needs is another war. We're going to start giving the impression that we want to take over the world if we keep invading other countries.

I have to dissagree ..Mr Obama needs a real fricken crisis ..to work on say ....when Iran decides to chuck nukes at Israel or when North Korea decides to lob nukes at us up here in Alaska then we will see if he can still make for good primetime tv while we sink into oblivian ...
 
Iran ain't gonna do **** and neither is North Korea, they're testing us.

Ask yourself this question, would you launch a nuke against your enemies when you know full well they have enough nukes to kill you 20 times over?
 
Iran ain't gonna do **** and neither is North Korea, they're testing us.

Ask yourself this question, would you launch a nuke against your enemies when you know full well they have enough nukes to kill you 20 times over?

that question my friend is asked and answered by sane individuals ..do you reaaly believe that these pukes give a sh1t ..why don't you do yourself a fav a do the math in Korea, China etc about the man to woman ratio ...these poor basterds got nothing to live for ....period ..oh and don't you read your bible ???
 
that question my friend is asked and answered by sane individuals ..do you reaaly believe that these pukes give a sh1t ..why don't you do yourself a fav a do the math in Korea, China etc about the man to woman ratio ...these poor basterds got nothing to live for ....period ..oh and don't you read your bible ???

Well they must give a sh1t otherwise they wouldn't spend their time argueing with us. :)

What does the bible say about this?
 
Well they must give a sh1t otherwise they wouldn't spend their time argueing with us. :)

What does the bible say about this?

they are not arguing and really never have ..just waiting for the right time and the right buddies to come a stompin over here and let the fire rain ..down ...oh and to the other question ..something about revelation and the armies fro the east might ring a bell ......or not :cool:
add this http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/et10b.htm
 
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I did not read that whole story on the Bible reference as it is my bedtime so I may be overlooking something but from the small part that I did read I could argue that may reference to wars in past times. The Bible is awfully vague in many of it's claims. Many scholars believe from John the Baptist's testimonies that he believed Armageddon was coming shortly after Jesus' death and here we are 2009 years later, still here.

Just sayin'.
 
lib on Hannity yesterday

Some lib, (can't remember who), on Hannity actually may have had a good point.

The Pope John Paul was from Poland, and in 1982 the Reds had to deal with him first before the USA. Another layer of complexity the Reds didn't want to deal with.

Eric
 
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