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Has anyone heard of X3 track failures on pro??

Was going to buy 7 tooth drivers for my x3 to be put on a 15pro
The track sales guy told me do not do it. He has seen many track failures of the x3 loosing lugs or even braking the track from the track hitting the front
Has anyone heard of this before
It's news to me
 
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Which track sales guy?

The X3's, from what I've seen are great.

The X3's are Not to be confused with the early 3"-lug tracks.


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tell your sales guy he just pissed a sale down his leg.......and go buy it someplace else. i bought mine through blownmotor. good service, good price, nice people.
 
I bought 2 X3's from Tracks USA and 2 sets of Avid drivers from Avid on line. Installed on 2 163 Pros both 15 models. Love them no problems no track damage after last years concrete riding conditions! Ran the in all kinds of conditions out west and in the U.P. Would do it again in a heartbeat!
 
Ran mine in poor conditions last year sled ran a little hotter but when you made it to the powder it was awesome no regrets here!put a second set of ice scratchers on and that took care of the heating problem
 
He indicated that the failures are caused by the track not having enough clearance at the bulkhead with the seven tooth drivers and tracks are failing as lugs are hitting bulkhead
I'm in Canada and will buy the drivers off avid anyway
 
Try Royal City Cycle for the track. Free shipping and no warnings about imminent failure.
 
I put a X3 156 on my 15pro hands down the best investment i have ever made zero problems and never had to bad heat issue with low snow. As for the track hitting the bulkhead i never heard of that, although im running ezryde skid and my track angle is almost flat.
 
Running the X3 on a Pro 163" and it's working great!! I think your salesman may have some old info or was a little confused????
 
im running 3" with 7 tooth on 163 my track has been rubbing on tunnel directly above the driver evident by the black marks it cant be good and dont know why its doing that but a person should be able to check with a mirror also covered this topic on another thread
 
dont know had it installed by a very reputable dealer since then had it reinstalled by another it was considered that track tension was the the problem i will find out more info into the season
 
Just did my 7 tooth drivers last night. Stock diameter on 8 tooth is 7 1/8". Diameter on 7 tooth drivers 6 1/4". Difference of 7/8". So that makes it 7/16" smaller to the tunnel. From 2.4" to 3" track is 5/8" taller. So 5/8" - 7/16" is 3/16". So the 3" track is only 3/16" closer to the tunnel than the stock 2.4.
 
Tension Dynamics.

dont know had it installed by a very reputable dealer since then had it reinstalled by another it was considered that track tension was the the problem i will find out more info into the season

Lots of people, even people that generally know what they are doing run the track looser than the factory tension. They mistakenly believe that since the track turns easier by hand with the track off the ground, that this is the case for a sled in use...NOT the case.

A loose track (looser than stock) will lose performance.... especially with our modern single ply tracks.

Also, a loose track is harder on the secondary drive (belt or chain) and can relate to sub-par secondary clutch performance as the "torque signal" can be inaccurate to the helix/spring.

From a thread a while back

Why is this?????

Some thoughts from another post a while back.

Loose is NOT good... Not if you want your track to perform.

Heres my 2 cents. From experience and talking to some of the best in the industry including Camoplast and FTX.

The newer single ply tracks just do not tolerate looseness as much as the older 2 ply tracks did.

A loose track is MUCH more prone to stabbing.



From a previous post

Al, I've seen this argument before... I'll give my point of view here... [IMO]. I present this after talking to the people at Camoplast, and other respected people in the field like Jack Struthers.

An OVER-tightened track IS counter productive to performance as you say... NOT to pe confused with a Properly tightened track.

Since the weight of the sled presses the track against the hyfax (in use, compared to on the stand) the 'loosness' in a loose track has to happen some where... the track does balloon at the top unless the track is unloaded or catches some air.

As much as the track is pulled on the top by the driver, it is "pushed" past the hyfax on the bottom.

The physics of a track and tension / take-up are NOT the same as a chain drive under load. In a sled, the track is what transfers the power to the ground... not transferring power to something else that transfers the power (like in a motorcyle with the sprocket/tire being driven).

With a loose track... the tunnel side of the track cycles thru a herky-jerky motion of going from banjo-string tight to ballooning out as you run with the inherrent loading and undloading of the drivetrain that a sled goes thru in accelleration, dealing with terrain and braking... even more exagerated by heavy mountain tracks.

As you point out a properly adjusted track DOES rely on the track being pulled past the rear ider. A looser track cant do this all the time and this is what causes the problems... the loosness in the track has to go somewhere... that somewhere ends up being the distortion of the track as it is crammed down the hyfax or gets tripped up in the drivetrain. This distortion of the track lays the paddles down and tilts the clips on edge which can also accelerate hyfax wear.

As the track leaves the driver, a loose track will get bunched up at the front of the rail... in that situation the rails must strip the loose track from the driver and Force the track down along the rail/hyfax... A loose track does not get "pulled" around the rear idler like a properly tensioned track does.

In this age of single ply tracks, seen mostly on the mountain sleds, the belting of the track is not a rigid as a multi ply track.. they are even more susceptible to this bunching-up of the track as it leaves the drivers.

When the track bunches up between the driver and rail.. this is where the 'stabbing' occurs.

The best analogy of the bunching up that I can think of of is kind of like watching a drag racing tire "wrinkle" as it launches... not a direct analogy... but something that shows the kind of hook-up that a sled with good traction is getting.

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I run a 155" to 159" track, NO bogie wheels, standard Hyfax and Avid Drivers with trimmed rails. I run the Factory prescribed tension on the track. I have yet to stab a track or wear out a set of hyfax during the season but I do replace them long before they are needed at the beginning of each season.

I have also never smoked a bearing on a driveshaft, (caused by proper tension on a track) but I have replaced them as part of PM on sleds over 2500 miles to protect my ride time on the sled... none of the drive shaft bearings removed on the end or in the case have ever been worn out. I have had jackshaft bearings go on me though, but have since switched out to a greasable PTO side setup and hope for better results there.

IMO, if a loose track gave better performance... the factory race teams would be running that on the snowcrossers and oval track sleds. In this never ending game of trying to outdo each other, the factories would not leave something as easy to fix on the table...again IMO.
and my .02 on the track tension...I realize that grass/dirt is different than snow but in our years of testing with timing lights for grass drags, a snugger track was ALWAYS faster than a looser track. Didn't matter how much power , how much traction or how long the track was... it maintained its rotational shape better and et's dropped. Lots of great points made above about this subject.

curt








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