Can the person who posted the original now deleted images please PM me ASAP? Thanks.
Greenwater followup
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I was wondering what happened to that Post. I would bet the poster sno something or other got tired of the nitpicking that was going on. He was just being a messenger and was getting torn apart by some..I saw that coming and I dont blame him for not wanting to be confrontational...it isnt for everyone. He was trying to do what he felt was right and was getting dragged all over the coals by some for it. So he deleted it, I would assume..or was Christopher involved in this?? Hmmmmmmmm..just joking Christopher:>)
In a nutshell, the appropriate authorities would like to thank him and get some details so they can follow up. He did the right thing.
I just received this email from the Enumclaw office
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Turn them in, it's the right thing to do.
I doubt they would be charged with anything, but it defiantly will make them and the wheeling community realize that someone may be watching and that there are repercussions for their actions..
I certainly do wish it wouldnt have to be this way..
Just a few thoughts:
Those of us who are on these forums have been trail riding for a while and know what conduct is acceptable and what is not. The problems with trail abuse usually involve those less experienced, but they cause all of the damge and controversity.
These issues are a big headache for public land managers because they get pressure from users about mis use, and the cost for repairs. So do we let it go or try to change the situation so we have more riding opportunities?
How do we fix it?
How long do we wait until we start changing things?
An Excellent question. I wish MORE people would start thinking along these lines. I think the first thing we can do as ANY outdoor motor-sports enthusiast is to get involved, and don't be afraid to step-up. Join a club, Join BRC, SAWS, et al, and don't just send in your dues, but become ACTIVE. If we all try and work together (Wheelers, sledders, single-track riders) then we can ALL win. And we have to be willing to call out the bad decisions by the other users in our own communities instead of trying to point the fingers at other user groups.
I will go ahead and throw a post up here so I can answer some questions if need be.
My name is Danielle. I am the owner of an organization called ORV Trail Watch. To put it briefly about what we do:
ORV Trail Watch is a group of off road enthusiasts who want to keep designated trails, motorized recreation areas and certain campgrounds open to ORVs.
Many ORV areas receive bad press and are sometimes closed completely due to irresponsible users driving off designated trails, making their own illegal trails, mudding meadows, cutting trees, trespassing and generally creating a mess. Rule breakers are cutting their own throats because they cannot see past fifteen minutes of fun and their irresponsible behavior gives all ORV users a bad name.
We want to help put a stop to it and we feel the best way we can do this is by education and by taking pictures and reporting the illegal activity to the proper authorities. Once people know ORV Trail Watch is out taking pictures they may think twice and maybe spread the word to their friends as well.
ORV Trail Watch currently has just under 200 members in WA and OR.
That being said I was directed here when the original post made its was to a local wheeling board. Since then I have talked to the original poster, the LEO involved and was actually contacted by a friend of the wheelers in the pictures. Past that I can't really discuss much else of what is going on with this incident, except that I talked with the LEO before writing this post.
I can though let you know that reporting these incidents is a good thing - regardless of who is involved in the incident. Be that snowmobilers, wheelers, atv'ers, campers, hunters, etc...etc..etc. The pictures that were taken were exactly what the Forest Service needs to issue citations - and they are issuing citations. Matter of fact in the last year between trail watch and our fellow users we have gotten quite a few people successfully cited.
I know it's kind of hard to fathom turning in our fellow users - and really it's not something I enjoy doing. But I do enjoy using our trail systems and want to keep our trails open as I'm sure that you all would like the same.
I work closely with the Forest Service, DNR, BLM, and LEO's providing information when I can and helping as much as I can. I also work with not only wheelers, but ATV'ers, dirt bike riders, snowmobilers and horseback riders. Pretty much - I am willing to work with anyone who is willing to work with me.
With that, I am open for questions if you have them.
Please feel free to contact me with any questions at any time. I can be reached here, or through the trail watch website at
www.orvtrailwatch.org
My name is Danielle. I am the owner of an organization called ORV Trail Watch. To put it briefly about what we do:
ORV Trail Watch is a group of off road enthusiasts who want to keep designated trails, motorized recreation areas and certain campgrounds open to ORVs.
Many ORV areas receive bad press and are sometimes closed completely due to irresponsible users driving off designated trails, making their own illegal trails, mudding meadows, cutting trees, trespassing and generally creating a mess. Rule breakers are cutting their own throats because they cannot see past fifteen minutes of fun and their irresponsible behavior gives all ORV users a bad name.
We want to help put a stop to it and we feel the best way we can do this is by education and by taking pictures and reporting the illegal activity to the proper authorities. Once people know ORV Trail Watch is out taking pictures they may think twice and maybe spread the word to their friends as well.
ORV Trail Watch currently has just under 200 members in WA and OR.
That being said I was directed here when the original post made its was to a local wheeling board. Since then I have talked to the original poster, the LEO involved and was actually contacted by a friend of the wheelers in the pictures. Past that I can't really discuss much else of what is going on with this incident, except that I talked with the LEO before writing this post.
I can though let you know that reporting these incidents is a good thing - regardless of who is involved in the incident. Be that snowmobilers, wheelers, atv'ers, campers, hunters, etc...etc..etc. The pictures that were taken were exactly what the Forest Service needs to issue citations - and they are issuing citations. Matter of fact in the last year between trail watch and our fellow users we have gotten quite a few people successfully cited.
I know it's kind of hard to fathom turning in our fellow users - and really it's not something I enjoy doing. But I do enjoy using our trail systems and want to keep our trails open as I'm sure that you all would like the same.
I work closely with the Forest Service, DNR, BLM, and LEO's providing information when I can and helping as much as I can. I also work with not only wheelers, but ATV'ers, dirt bike riders, snowmobilers and horseback riders. Pretty much - I am willing to work with anyone who is willing to work with me.
With that, I am open for questions if you have them.
Please feel free to contact me with any questions at any time. I can be reached here, or through the trail watch website at
www.orvtrailwatch.org
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Peanut - Thanks for a great post - I'll be looking into joining your organization.....
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Thanks Peanut..
You give me something to think about, although I have always thought that we should all work together,And have promoted that idea. The last few years seeing the activity at reiter has made me a bit stuburn..I will reassess my thoughts and discuss with the single track community.. right now the majority of single track riders have some bad feelings..
You give me something to think about, although I have always thought that we should all work together,And have promoted that idea. The last few years seeing the activity at reiter has made me a bit stuburn..I will reassess my thoughts and discuss with the single track community.. right now the majority of single track riders have some bad feelings..
