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Getting the New Pro to perform.. Stage Tuning and our "thoughts"

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RKT

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After several outings in the DEEP powder at an average of 8,000ft elevation, we have begun working on the performance of the new Pro RMK..

We have a stock XP, at Stock Cat, a Big Bore XP and a Big Bore Cat (800) in the stable to do real comparisions. However, until the Pro is tuned in to run at its full potential, it would be pointless to do any comparisions to ANY other sleds!
The new Pro out of the box is NOT running to its potenial, even after the chip burns out ,which is at 3 hours per inside information from Polaris.
So, after 3 hours, the ECU is allowing for full running power. The crank is beginning to loosen up and the rings, hopefully, have taken a good seat and mated to the cylinder walls.

First of all.. let me say that this is a good sled.. The chassis is nice, running boards stay clean and the handling is very good..

1)The shocks need stiffer springs in the front and rear if you are over 200 lbs.. and the steering has some up and down play... but, the chassis works well.

2)The clutching has some issues.. Until you get the sled running its proper rpms, you can not gauge the performance. With the stock clutching, the rpms will not hold in the steep and deep. There is major RPM fluctuations and peak rpms is never reached nor held.
The belt slip is very bad and this translates into major belt heat and loss of performance.

So, IMO, the 1st thing to address is this clutching issue.
1st. There needs to be some cold air coming into the clutching area, the hot air is trapped and needs to escape. We did a little air flow mod and it seemed to help.. but it needs more. We will work more on this this week. But this is not the sole reason behind the hot clutches. Many like to put too much value on the venting, while it is important and is a player, the clutch calibration is also a major player in the heat.

2nd.. The secondary set up is simply not correct for deep powder hill pulling. It works pretty good on poached tracks, hard packed, and flat ground running, BUT, on the fresh powder, steep hill pulling it is way off.
We did some changes and got this issues much, much , better, we have very consistent rpms but are still low on the rpms. They are holding steady now so, we just need to fine tune in the peak operating rpm calibration. This should be easy and be completed for the next ride.

So, that is what we know , so far.. After we get this sled's clutching fixed, we will work on getting the engine to produce some more power.

Kelsey
 
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hmmm..after riding my new pro yesterday...my guess right now is what I clutched my dragon with is gonna be just fine on the pro..as for how bad it currently is...must be pretty good..makes 20 hp less then the etec but out marked the etec all day yesterday...so I thought you just built doo and cat parts? never seen much on here about you with polaris?...good luck ..hope you can make these sleds run even more amazing then they already are.........
 
I guess my expectations are lower, I felt good about the Pro out of the box. I knew from the beginning that there would be some gains in clutching and setup, but I think it does really good as it sits. I'm familar with RK Tec but I thought you guys just did Doo and AC. I'm excited to see what you come up with.
 
Yep. My r's go up and down quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, it rips and most will love it out of the box. but for those picky types, there certianly is more to be had in the clutching. I'm thining the helix will have to go. Can't wait to ride with ansnow with his dragon secondary on the pro. That should tell us alot.
 
The clutching does need some work I think. On a fairly steep pull mine were going from 7900-8300 and everywhere inbetween. I think the digital gauge has a lot to do with that. I've never been a fan of digital for something like that they try to be to precise and bounce all over. There was a couple times I found the rev limiter and once they hit it they bog hard. 8500 and it will bog hard. And I'm well past the break in period.
 
RKT

My Pro had a up and down movement in the bars also. I took the mount blocks loose and noticed that they have a raised collar on one side one if mine (lower) was installed upside down I reversed it and now have no play.
 
Stock out of the box my clutching seems to be pretty good. About 20 hrs on it now, running the 10-60's with stock drive, driven springs and helix and at 8-10,000 it pulls around 8300 and holds while under a load. With varying snow conditions it seems to upshift and downshift good. Time to throw some weight at it and see what happens.
 
just watched one of the vids posted, .8 miles on sled, full pull, pretty constant 8150-8200, did notice it dipped to 8100 once in awhile but thats as constant as my M ever was...
 
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Did some other clutching changes and got the sled to really come alive!!

The sled needs some serious venting int he clutch area but the l like the current clutching...
Now, time to work on getting some more power out of the engine
 
I am curious what did you do to the clutching?

Are you willing to share your findings?
 
IMO, the entire issue is in the secondary. We changed out the TSS04 for a Tied and have a very unique and custom helix made for the Tied..

With out current helix we had to change the primary weights BUT.. I am waiting on another custom helix from TEAM that should make it so we do not have to change anything in the primary..

This way, all the changes are in the secondary and the cost is lower. BUT.. I do recommend purchasing a Tied secondary clutch without a helix or spring and then check with us for custom helix and you will have a PRO that works much better..

After we get some more engine HP (Very soon), we may need to alter the custom helix once again but since the Tied Hleix is really 2 helixes in one, we are hoping to have the other (more power) helix as the second helix.. so, it will be good for both set ups..

Stay tuned....

Kelsey

I am curious what did you do to the clutching?

Are you willing to share your findings?
 
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honest opinion from someone trying to sell you thier stuff??? i'd believe that a lot more if he were posting his info for free, but no, your gonna have to buy it. sounds like every other sales pitch i've heard on here for years...

Nobody has to buy anything... I am sure others will come up with many changes for the Pro.. I am simply keeping people posted on what I am currently doing...People have asked me for this information and I am doing what I can. Nothing more... No need to read more into it than what is actually present..

We are simply trying to improve performance on the mountain!! If one is happy with the stock set ups, then that is great!, we, like to push it to the next level. That is what we do and have been doing it for a VERY LONG TIME!

We simply approach clutching from a much different angle than 99.9% of the others.. So, ALL our helixes are custom made...

One other MAJOR difference between our testing/findings is that we have ALL the 3 major brands on the hill 3 days or more a week and ALL are tuned to the best of our ability.. So, we are comparing our sleds against our sleds!! We are not just running into "some guy" on the mountain who may or may not have a good running "other sled" and comparing on that day..

Our testing is done everytime and is compared ALL DAY against "tuned" running sleds.

NOTE: We do ZERO Racing comparisions.. Many clutch "fixes" that are sold are geared towards the racing aspect... We could care less about the racing.... We focus on straight up POWER and hill pulling.. This way there is no "illusions" or "feel" as to what gains have been made with this or that "bolt on". On a straight powder hill pull... there are NO variables!!

Higher on the hill equals better set up.. everytime..

Kelsey
 
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Thanks Kelsey

I think I will get a Tied clutch. I was leaning this way before I read your posts.
Do you think I will still need to vent with the tied cluch?
I don't do a lot of hard riding but would like the cluches to stay cool.

Have you read the post about the Polaris Gizmo? I think that also has some merit. I ordered one and will let everyone know how the temps are with it.
Thanks again for all your info.
 
I think I will get a Tied clutch. I was leaning this way before I read your posts.
Do you think I will still need to vent with the tied cluch?
I don't do a lot of hard riding but would like the cluches to stay cool.

Have you read the post about the Polaris Gizmo? I think that also has some merit. I ordered one and will let everyone know how the temps are with it.
Thanks again for all your info.


The TIED is a great clutch.. Yes, you WILL need venting.. this Pro design has zero air-flow passing over the clutches and nowhere for hot air to escape.. We will be using the Mod Rods Vents kits (when they arrive)

Keep in mind vents kits do not let hot air out.. Physics does not allow for this.. So, properly designed and placed vents will allow for cold air to ENTER the clutching area to cool the area and components.. This will help out considerably on this chassis..
Clutch heat is a given on ANY belt driven design... but lessening the temps will always be welcome.

Gizmo.. I am not going to get into a discussion regarding that...They are confident in their testing and results, as am I regarding our testing. It is not my place to credit or discredit anybody elses' products...
I only concern myself about my own designs.
I will say, that my sled will not be running a Gizmo.

Kelsey
 
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Keep in mind vents kits do not let hot air out.. Physics does not allow for this.. So, properly designed and placed vents will allow for cold air to ENTER the clutching area to cool the area and components.. This will help out considerably on this chassis..
Clutch heat is a given on ANY belt driven design... but lessening the temps will always be welcome.


Kelsey

Well, it's definetly not physics, but maybe a lil something to do with thermodynamics? Heat transfer will always occur from a concentration of higher temperature to lower temperature as required by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics in an effort to reach equilibrium...I do agree, however, that the new Pro could use a little more of this action...
 
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