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FYI someone plowed Rt 35 from Nobletts parking lot up toward Wolf Creek

Yep, and it will remain plowed and open for the rest of the winter from what I have gathered. 2 of our representatives, Brown from Coalville and Van Tassel from Vernal have decided that it is more important to have it plowed for the handful of cars that travel it then to have it groomed as part of the snowmobile trail system that hundreds of people utilize every weekend. Our local groomer operator has been notified by our representatives to stop grooming it or there will be action taken, so no more groomer. All of this seems to be shoved down our throat with no notice or involvement from the snowmobile community. So now what??? Well it looks like there is no place to turn around on the way up, and if there was where do your park?? The first step would be to call your representatives, Brown and VanTassel are listed below, and let them know how you feel and that we pay good money in registration to utilize these areas and it could not be financially viable to keep 35 plowed for the little use it sees. Let them know you'll remember it on Election Day. Sucks to see UDOT and our representatives pull crap like this!


Melvin R. Brown (R)
Address: PO BOX 697 COALVILLE, UT 84017

Email: melbrown@le.utah.gov
Home Phone: 435-336-3309
Cell Phone: 435-647-6512


Van Tassell, Kevin T.
Email: kvantassell@le.utah.gov
County(ies): Daggett, Duchesne, Summit, Uintah, Wasatch
Phone: Work 435-789-7082
Cell 435-790-0675
Address: 3424 W 1500 N
VERNAL, UT 84078
 
This is BS. just saw the story on KSL. good luck to us keeping the road closed. Looks like the end of Nobletts as our parking lot. I guess we'll have to park on the road at mill hollow turn off and just block the road shut to traffic. Un believable!!! I'm moving back to Idaho!!! This state sucks!


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I can here the conversation with cops asking for registration.... (Ahhh and why should I pay to register my sled when the area I ride has no grooming or parking for my sled... I pay to register my truck and trailer because they use the maintained road. What are you maintaining for my sled. Ahhh yeeeah... Nothing at all. C ya...)


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Just sent the following email to Representatives Brown and Van Tassel, as well as to Terri Newell tnewell@utah.gov (UDOT Region 3 Manager) and Muriel Xochimitl murielx@utah.gov (Region 3 communications manager). I'd suggest everyone else try to do something similar.

Representatives Brown and Van Tassel,

I am an avid snowmobiler, and have been snowmobiling as a resident in the State of Utah all my life. So you can imagine my surprise and disgust after watching the story on KSL news tonight about one of the more notable trailheads in the region being plowed to provide access to a few homeowners and travelers in the Tabiona area. I can't fathom why, when lawmakers are looking for cost savings in government spending, that they would consider, no less carry out a plan to plow this road when there is already a base for snowmobilers on the road (obviously enough to groom the trail) who utilize this road in winter for backcountry access. The road is clearly marked as closed for winter for recreational access, so I don't understand why it is so hard for representatives in these areas, and UDOT to understand why it wouldn't upset a taxpaying group of recreationalists who use this area to snowmobile and cross country ski, to see it cleared. I am not only appalled, but wonder why I shouldn't take my tax dollars elsewhere to states where snowmobiling is a sport that is welcomed and supported. I spend hundreds of dollars each winter in registration fees to maintain trails and access for snowmobiling, not to mention the tax dollars that are injected into your communities with what I spend purchasing fuel, food, and recreating in the areas that you represent, and I will now be spending that money in other areas of our state, or other states entirely. I hope it is worth the decrease in tax revenue and fees that your areas would collect to you and your constituents to keep that road open for a few more months. I will be sharing my views with other residents in your area via online forums, and message boards and I hope you will reconsider the damage you are causing to the businesses and the majority of your constituents by allowing these winter roads to be cleared.

<Name, Address and Phone Number>
 
Well put....

We should all be glad that KSL was right on too of this to get the word out. This will be a test to see how strong our snowmobiling brotherhood is with standing up and saying enough is enough. Anyone with businesses like Wellers Rec etc need to chime in. How would you like to be Wellers building their new building on the way into Kamas?? Yeah great... Who's going to want to come snowmobiling in Kamas (the gateway to the Uintas) If the only parking is at soapstone or on the road, plus ungroomed trails to get to our play areas. I'd be nervous if I was the owners of a business like Wellers.


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So your telling me the state had plow drivers drive right past this sign and plowed the road when they saw trucks, trailers, and snowmobiles parked at Nobletts parking lot. Unreal!!

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these rep's and udot are idiots,why in heck did the put all that money into the knobletts trail head. plus why are they talking about a study, they have already made up their minds and are plowing away, snow users be dammed:mmph:
 
THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!! There was absolutely no warning to the people that parked and unloaded there this morning only to come back down the trail and find that they had to walk 5 miles back to their trucks and trailers?!Where do they get off?! It would have been so easy to park a ranger there this morning letting people know of their plans but instead they just decided to screw them all over?! I will also be emailing and calling as many of these morons as possible as we all should. It isn't about safety as the KSL story mentions, it is about the rich shmucks up the road that have the congressman in their pockets. UDOT should be investigated for their shady practices.
 
Just sent the following email to Representatives Brown and Van Tassel, as well as to Terri Newell tnewell@utah.gov (UDOT Region 3 Manager) and Muriel Xochimitl murielx@utah.gov (Region 3 communications manager). I'd suggest everyone else try to do something similar.

Representatives Brown and Van Tassel,

I am an avid snowmobiler, and have been snowmobiling as a resident in the State of Utah all my life. So you can imagine my surprise and disgust after watching the story on KSL news tonight about one of the more notable trailheads in the region being plowed to provide access to a few homeowners and travelers in the Tabiona area. I can't fathom why, when lawmakers are looking for cost savings in government spending, that they would consider, no less carry out a plan to plow this road when there is already a base for snowmobilers on the road (obviously enough to groom the trail) who utilize this road in winter for backcountry access. The road is clearly marked as closed for winter for recreational access, so I don't understand why it is so hard for representatives in these areas, and UDOT to understand why it wouldn't upset a taxpaying group of recreationalists who use this area to snowmobile and cross country ski, to see it cleared. I am not only appalled, but wonder why I shouldn't take my tax dollars elsewhere to states where snowmobiling is a sport that is welcomed and supported. I spend hundreds of dollars each winter in registration fees to maintain trails and access for snowmobiling, not to mention the tax dollars that are injected into your communities with what I spend purchasing fuel, food, and recreating in the areas that you represent, and I will now be spending that money in other areas of our state, or other states entirely. I hope it is worth the decrease in tax revenue and fees that your areas would collect to you and your constituents to keep that road open for a few more months. I will be sharing my views with other residents in your area via online forums, and message boards and I hope you will reconsider the damage you are causing to the businesses and the majority of your constituents by allowing these winter roads to be cleared.

<Name, Address and Phone Number>

I sent that as well, In addition I added:

What is the point of all the money invested into the Nobletts parking area if none will be able to use it. If the road is to be plowed, parking lots need to be built at the top of the pass where recreationalists can actually access the back country. If you have ever been to the Nobletts parking lot any weekend in January you know this is a very well used area, now just image in all of those vehicles and trailers trying to turn around and park somewhere along Highway 35. I see lots of accidents, slide offs and incidents occurring because of this. With very little access granted in the winter time to the Uintas, why restrict it more? Hopefully there are no injuries or fatalities due to a lack of plowing during even a small winter storm to constituents that decide to use Wolf Creek Pass to commute on. Judging by how well the 10 miles of the Mirror Lake Highway are kept up between Kamas and Soapstone, I doubt UDOT will be able to keep up with Highway 35.

Hopefully the right choices will be made after the next snowfall,
 
yeah that new parking lot cost about 2 million to build just in materials alone. truth of the matter is there is obviously some alterior motive here and we need to get it out and squash it.

All this baloney about access for homeowners and such is just a facade. your telling me that hwy 40 is that much of a detour from SLC area to the Uintah basin!?! The biggest problem here with the plowing is that your gonna have one hellava cluster frank all along hwy 35 from the pass to mill hollow turnoff of parked rigs blocking the lanes of traffic. On any given Saturday you have 75-100 rigs parked in that lot and your telling me UDOT is willing to deal with them parking along the road? UDOT loves saftey issues so what you going to do tow all those rigs every weekend? If you ask me UDOT is asking for another accident here, speaking of accidents did anyone determine if the death last month was due to the road being plowed after it was closed between storms? We gonna have another "coregate" on our hands here UDOT? I suggest you stop being dishonest here and communicate to the public whats going on, your website says its closed?!?, if the roads closed then keep it that way, if its open then don't tell us its closed. Oh and be ready to deal with the saftey issues you are creating. Just to save 20 minutes for a handful of commuters?.....:crazy:


Call these numbers posted people, this really is the only way. They will not listen to our saftey concerns otherwise. it has to hit close to home or they will shrug us off.
 
One more thought

Hey guys, one more thought. I don't mind if you email those state representatives mentioned above. However, those local reps have already been bought and paid for by, as mentioned above, the wealthy landowners in Tabiona. So we can send all the emails we want to them, and it isn't going to change their mind at all unless we want to offer campaign donations when the next election comes. None of us (or very few) have even a vote to offer them either, so they really aren't beholden to us at all.

I think the real trick here is to win over the rest of the representatives all throughout Utah, so that the local representatives will be largely outvoted on the issue. Certainly, your local representative here in the valley has no plans of receiving campaign donations from the rich shmucks up in Tabby, so he will be much more open to listening to our common sense point of view and voting accordingly.
 
I have lived here all my life, but this state gets more screwed up by the day!

I got a text last night about this going to happen and apparently this was a back room deal done at 3PM yesterday!!!!!! The shady/corrupt politics and apparent disregard for OUR taxpayer dollars is just appalling! How much have WE spent on this recent AG BS? Now we are plowing this and will burn how much keeping it open for how few cars? They better be putting a traffic counter in place tomorrow. I want our tax dollars to tell us just how few will really use it! What a damn waste of money and loss of a recreational tradition in this state! I remember when wolf creek pass wasn't paved and we parked in the old "circle" turnaround. Sad days in this state.

We should all be raising hell over this and calling/emailing/ writing whomever we need to. This decision makes no sense! Next they will be plowing Mirror Lake and justifying that being open! We gotta fight this boys! Time to fight!!

Now, there is a way or two to still ride out of Nobletts parking lot and get up top on the soapstone side,but that doesn't help much for the shorter route to all the riding out beyond Mill Hollow. How are they going to groom now that the connected system is broken up? Now we need additional equipment to groom the fragmented segments? More smart decisions by our elected idiots!

I love how someone says that riders can access other trailheads along the highway... Ughhh ok... Have any of these people been to Nobletts on a big snow weekend? Can you say hundreds of rigs filling the parking lot and all the way down the road?? I have a pic for them... I will find it. I guess we are just supposed to like having to drive all the way to Co-op Creek TH??

Where is USA in this fight?

I will stop... I'm obviously HOT on this issue.
 
Here is an interesting article I found on this subject. http://www.udot.utah.gov/main/f?p=100:pg:0:::1:T,V:1047,11142
The meeting was in 2004 and they state it would cost 850,000 dollars to buy the equipment to keep the road open and 250,000 dollars a year to keep it open. Then I see in the news that udot wants to raise the gas tax because they can not maintain the roads. And these representatives call themselves conservatives??? What a joke. I will be sending an email to everyone listed above including my representative. I would suggest everyone gets all your friends and riding partners to do the same. I would also think some of the larger dealerships should get involved in this. They might have a strong voice.
I have rode this area for many many years and this just sucks. What a cluster it will be on the road for parking but maybe that is what needs to happen. You know about 200 trucks and trailers blocking the road.
 
these jack asses say its plowed for safety, because idiots from tabby are trying to use a road that has already been closed for the season.
why don't they just close the gates on both ends? that would cost nothing. haven't they heard of the hapless people in California who were stranded and died trying to use these high mountain passes. there are real safety issues with trying to use these passes in winter that they are ignoring!
what about turning a trailer around along the road. there will be side offs ,collisions , high speed accidents , and other REAL safety issues. what about this child that was killed because of the conditions that were caused by the plowing of a designated snow travel route! shame on these state senators and udot who bowed to there pressure. oh yeah is that how they do a study just plow it and see what happens. isn't the life of that boy serious enough to merit a real safety study!:mmph:
 
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my letter

Also, here is a sample letter just in case any of you want to copy/paste any of the arguments.

Hello Mr. Madsen,
I live here in Lehi in Senate District 13 and as such you are my representative in the state senate. I'm writing you this letter today in response to an article reported by KSL recently.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28234520&ni...plows-groomed-road&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-6

The article indicates that UDOT has elected to heed the wishes of a very small vocal minority located in Tabiona and Hanna instead of thousands of snowmobilers located all across the Wasatch Front. First of all, I think this is a big mistake. The Wolf Creek Pass trail section is an integral part of the most impressive network of snowmobiling trails Utah has to offer. The network extends from Bear River Services near Wyoming clear down through Strawberry and close to Price. Making Hwy. 35 a plowed road is like building the transcontinental railroad from New York to Wyoming and then from California through Nevada, and just electing to not make that final link right in the middle in Utah. This trail area truly is one of the crown jewels of snowmobiling in Utah, and that could be placed in tremendous jeopardy without the critical link in the middle of Wolf Creek Pass.

As a snowmobiler, and a concerned citizen overall, I am asking for your help to offset the very small group of folks who seemed to have controlled this maneuver. At a time when tax dollars are so scarce and so badly needed in so many other locations, it is hard for me to fathom the concept of the state spending money trying to keep a road plowed at 9,500 feet elevation just so that a few people who live in Tabiona can save a few minutes getting home from Heber.

I would also like to point out, that really, that is what this fight is about on the other end; a few minutes saved on a commute. The KSL article cites John Gleason as saying this is about safety and citing experiences of cars trying to get up and over the pass in spite of the snowpack. This is completely a bogus argument. There are gates at both sides of the pass, closer to the 7,000 foot level that can and should be closed in the winter. If safety is really the priority here, I guarantee, the state, and Mr. Gleason can ensure safety better by simply putting the usual lock on those gates. I'm pretty sure cars won't be sliding off the snowpacked road at 9,500 feet if UDOT has the gates closed and locked up like they are supposed to be down at 7,000.

Just how high is 9,500 feet? Just how much of an expense and battle is it going to be to keep that road plowed and safe (yeah, right) at 9,500 feet? Here is some perspective.

Beaver Mountain, Powder Mountain, Wolf Mountain, Snowbasin, and Sundance all don't have a single ski lift that even gets up to 9,500 feet.
Deer Valley has one lift that get higher...by 70 feet. The Empire lift goes as high as 9,570 ft. elevation.
The Canyons, also only has one single lift that goes above 9,500 feet. The majority of the skiing of "The Greatest Snow on Earth" is done at an elevation lower than 9,500 feet.
The summit of I-80 at Parleys Canyon doesn't even hit 7,000 feet, and we all know how difficult that is to keep plowed and how unsafe it can become with a decent snowstorm.
Big Cottonwood Canyon and Little Cottonwood Canyon don't have roads that even make it as high as 9,000 feet. Think of the manpower required to keep those open in the winter as well as the tremendous safety risk they can be during any storm, even mild storms.
Highway 6 doesn't even reach 7,500 feet at Soldier Summit, and yet stories seem to abound on the news left and right about winter weather related problems on that road.
I could go on, but I think you get the point. 9,500 feet is snow territory when wintertime comes. That is just pure common sense. To incur the massive expense as well as the tremendous safety risks involved, not only to the commuters, but also to the state employees driving the plow at 9,500 feet is a tremendous undertaking. If the reward of this undertaking is getting to the top of the cottonwood Canyons to ski at Alta or Brighton, then it is understandable for the state to undergo that expense and risk. Ski resorts create huge income streams for the state, and I'm sure that the money is paid back in tax revenue very easily. Somehow, I don't think the tax revenue generated by a small number of people saving a few minutes getting from Heber to Tabiona is going to create quite the same payback.

If there is anything you might be able to do during the next legislation session to try to remedy this tremendous violation of common sense principles, it would be appreciated by thousands of snowmobilers throughout the state as well as all citizens who don't have to see their tax dollars get dumped down the drain to such a waste of a concept.

Thanks for your consideration.
 
Very nice Esc,
Working on my letter now and will post soon. Just saw a post on Facebook that "At Your Leisure" has caught wind of this story and is investigating. This is total B.S. ! I just hope folks keep a cool head and are able to get their point of view out without giving the others the ammo to keep it plowed. I would love to see the letters or email s of those that want or have requested these roads to be open. Errrr I mean amount on those checks that where cashed by those Reps.
 
letters sent! I only wish we could get the 1000's of people that park here to write a letter. 10 letters don't mean much, 1000's do!
 
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