Frozen Moto
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Wow I had not seen these before, these "look" even better than MH. Can't wait to get some info on real world tests.
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Wouldn't we all be interested in some real world comparison info.
Wouldn't we all be interested in some real world comparison info.
Heck yeah!! Problem is on youtube there is just a couple vids and they guy riding in the vids is not very talented, or the system is awful. One of the two
I know they have been out doing Demo rides, I would have thought there would be some more comparisons by now.
I've ridden it twice, and will continue to ride and buy Timbersled products.
I've ridden it twice, and will continue to ride and buy Timbersled products.
teal please do tell us why.
First of all - The Frozen moto looks awesome, and had a ton of thought and engineering. I really like the out-side of the box thinking that has gone into it.
Both days that I rode it there was 1-2' of powder on a pretty solid base.
On the road / trail:
It seems to work very well, the Curve ski tracks much better than the 6" simmons that I have (I don't have the new 10" ski yet). It is geared fast, much faster than the Timbersled. However in the little bit of time that I rode it, I had no confidence in laying it over around tight corners. I just felt that the edges of the ski weren't going to hold once the center skag left the ground.
Jumping:
The suspension was set up with a TON of rebound. The rebound would force the ski down, leveling out the bike in the air and often forced you to land ski-first. To me this was scary! I'm sure you could learn to have confidence landing this way... and may be the progression of snowbiking, but at the time I was afraid of going over the bars when landing ski on the ski.
Mountain Riding:
In my opinion and it's just that - an opinion, the Frozen moto cannot hang with a Timbersled in the steep and deep. There just isn't enough track on the ground. The approach angle is nice, but it moves the point where the track contacts the snow so far back that there is too much weight on the ski and not enough track on the ground. The kit will eventually get there, it just takes longer because it's spinning more. With the gentle approach angle, and long approach angle, it seems to spin and dig until most of the track is in the snow. Then it starts to get going, but your still spinning and digging at the same time. Ultimately using more power and gas, etc., and going slower. The ski didn't seem to hold as well as the 6" simmons on a sidehill, or doing downhill turns.
So that's my review in a nutshell. I don't intend to bash the FrozenMoto in any way, it's a nice looking and well engineered kit. But, I spend 90% of my time riding powder and steep hillsides. I feel that the mountain horse is a better application for this.
Dan is very willing to do demo rides, call him up and give it a try!
Both days that I rode it there was 1-2' of powder on a pretty solid base.
On the road / trail:
It seems to work very well, the Curve ski tracks much better than the 6" simmons that I have (I don't have the new 10" ski yet). It is geared fast, much faster than the Timbersled. However in the little bit of time that I rode it, I had no confidence in laying it over around tight corners. I just felt that the edges of the ski weren't going to hold once the center skag left the ground.
Jumping:
The suspension was set up with a TON of rebound. The rebound would force the ski down, leveling out the bike in the air and often forced you to land ski-first. To me this was scary! I'm sure you could learn to have confidence landing this way... and may be the progression of snowbiking, but at the time I was afraid of going over the bars when landing ski on the ski.
Mountain Riding:
In my opinion and it's just that - an opinion, the Frozen moto cannot hang with a Timbersled in the steep and deep. There just isn't enough track on the ground. The approach angle is nice, but it moves the point where the track contacts the snow so far back that there is too much weight on the ski and not enough track on the ground. The kit will eventually get there, it just takes longer because it's spinning more. With the gentle approach angle, and long approach angle, it seems to spin and dig until most of the track is in the snow. Then it starts to get going, but your still spinning and digging at the same time. Ultimately using more power and gas, etc., and going slower. The ski didn't seem to hold as well as the 6" simmons on a sidehill, or doing downhill turns.
So that's my review in a nutshell. I don't intend to bash the FrozenMoto in any way, it's a nice looking and well engineered kit. But, I spend 90% of my time riding powder and steep hillsides. I feel that the mountain horse is a better application for this.
Dan is very willing to do demo rides, call him up and give it a try!
Just looking at the Frozen Moto set up and talking to Dan there is a tone of engineering and high quality parts that has gone into this thing.
Your report in essence confirms my thoughts of the contact point of the track being way to far back making the whole thing way to ski heavy.
The suspension design does not allow any change of that .
As usual the limiting factor is the bike. One day someone will come out with actual snow bike chassis where you will just use your dirt bike motor and bolt the forks to the frond end .
At that point one could put the weight where it needs to be and not compromise as much. Even the MH is a huge compromise -- just the best one available right now.
Your report in essence confirms my thoughts of the contact point of the track being way to far back making the whole thing way to ski heavy.
The suspension design does not allow any change of that .
As usual the limiting factor is the bike. One day someone will come out with actual snow bike chassis where you will just use your dirt bike motor and bolt the forks to the frond end .
At that point one could put the weight where it needs to be and not compromise as much. Even the MH is a huge compromise -- just the best one available right now.
from an owner
The reviews on the frozen moto is correct.
The track is to far back. The best you can do is flatten the track and lean back.
I've got some mods in mind to improve the amount of ski pressure.
The kit is bad .parts are so Cool.
It needs work for the steep and deep.
Wet snow it hooks up good but ski pressure is still to heavy.
The reviews on the frozen moto is correct.
The track is to far back. The best you can do is flatten the track and lean back.
I've got some mods in mind to improve the amount of ski pressure.
The kit is bad .parts are so Cool.
It needs work for the steep and deep.
Wet snow it hooks up good but ski pressure is still to heavy.
from an owner
The reviews on the frozen moto is correct.
The track is to far back. The best you can do is flatten the track and lean back.
I've got some mods in mind to improve the amount of ski pressure.
The kit is bad .parts are so Cool.
It needs work for the steep and deep.
Wet snow it hooks up good but ski pressure is still to heavy.
When I say the kit is bad I do mean it is so bad *** looking. Bilit aluminum and chromemoly frame.
The work is beautiful.
The reviews on the frozen moto is correct.
The track is to far back. The best you can do is flatten the track and lean back.
I've got some mods in mind to improve the amount of ski pressure.
The kit is bad .parts are so Cool.
It needs work for the steep and deep.
Wet snow it hooks up good but ski pressure is still to heavy.
When I say the kit is bad I do mean it is so bad *** looking. Bilit aluminum and chromemoly frame.
The work is beautiful.
a little competition is never a bad thing!
Good Review Derek!
Shane it's not Derek, it's his brother Darren.
Function over bling will make you happier though.
Been a while since FM's been on snowest
So its been a while since we have been on Snowest pretty much all winter. Thanks for the comparison Darren you forgot to mention that you did ride the first generation two years ago and that you didn't get a chance to ride the 2nd generation yet nor see it or the 3rd and things to come. So there was no limiter strap technology in that 1st generation which allows for track approach angle and length adjustment.
You guys are right on with the quality of the build as our main concern at first was to build a high quality product that isn't going to fall apart and be left in the trail as I have heard about and some of you may have experience with. The first generation SMX showed that this was the case as FM had just a few minor breakages and fixed and strengthened those area in the second gen with our mechanical engineers we utilize to stay cutting edge as FM moves forward. We have never had a breakage problem that resulted in not being able to ride the unit out. We have heard of guys having some units break off of the bikes, didn't you and Jerry have some experience with this Darren?
FM has also moved forward with a dirt shock company Elka Suspension and are utilizing shocks we have created with Elka now that are SOLID and have no air in them at all which eliminates all problems created in utilizing the air set up from collapse to air pressure and elevation adjustments. With the adjustable coil over springs and with pre-load adjustments it is just like your dirt bike to set up now, sag for negative spring rate with the pre-load nut and then sprung for the rider weight to dial in performance with a large verity of springs readily available. Another area we focused on was the dual speed compression and rebound adjustments which work perfectly. We also continued to utilize common off the shelf parts for wear and maintenance so they are readily available and at your local dealer currently and at a fraction of the price that others currently charge or we would have to charge if we built the parts.
All and all it has been a great year and we are building for this year already as demand has continued to increase with our relentless pursuit of innovation.
Thanks again Darren for your first generation review and I look forward to getting out with you this up coming winter at some point to get you on the new generations.
So its been a while since we have been on Snowest pretty much all winter. Thanks for the comparison Darren you forgot to mention that you did ride the first generation two years ago and that you didn't get a chance to ride the 2nd generation yet nor see it or the 3rd and things to come. So there was no limiter strap technology in that 1st generation which allows for track approach angle and length adjustment.
You guys are right on with the quality of the build as our main concern at first was to build a high quality product that isn't going to fall apart and be left in the trail as I have heard about and some of you may have experience with. The first generation SMX showed that this was the case as FM had just a few minor breakages and fixed and strengthened those area in the second gen with our mechanical engineers we utilize to stay cutting edge as FM moves forward. We have never had a breakage problem that resulted in not being able to ride the unit out. We have heard of guys having some units break off of the bikes, didn't you and Jerry have some experience with this Darren?
FM has also moved forward with a dirt shock company Elka Suspension and are utilizing shocks we have created with Elka now that are SOLID and have no air in them at all which eliminates all problems created in utilizing the air set up from collapse to air pressure and elevation adjustments. With the adjustable coil over springs and with pre-load adjustments it is just like your dirt bike to set up now, sag for negative spring rate with the pre-load nut and then sprung for the rider weight to dial in performance with a large verity of springs readily available. Another area we focused on was the dual speed compression and rebound adjustments which work perfectly. We also continued to utilize common off the shelf parts for wear and maintenance so they are readily available and at your local dealer currently and at a fraction of the price that others currently charge or we would have to charge if we built the parts.
All and all it has been a great year and we are building for this year already as demand has continued to increase with our relentless pursuit of innovation.
Thanks again Darren for your first generation review and I look forward to getting out with you this up coming winter at some point to get you on the new generations.
Fork Damage
FM has also seen no fork damage what so ever with our mechanically engineered system of connecting the ski spindle to the forks no pitting, not creasing, no wear, no anything in the way of damage at all.
FM has also seen no fork damage what so ever with our mechanically engineered system of connecting the ski spindle to the forks no pitting, not creasing, no wear, no anything in the way of damage at all.
Thanks for the response! I look forward to seeing and riding the new stuff! Hope that my review didn't come across as a bash - it wasn't intended to be, just my view on the first gen timbersled vs. the first gen frozen moto.
No doubt, we've broke some stuff! But we're hard on stuff and ride frequently. The timbersled crew took care of the problems that we saw this year - on a 4-year old kit! Can't complain about that.
Can we see some pics of what has been changed?
They are still around. Haven't heard a thing from them this year.http://youtu.be/wwlm6RMGSf0
