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Friends of the Clearwater (greenies), had a potluck

From their website (My comments in red):

"HELP PROTECT WEITAS CREEK AND POT MOUNTAIN FROM MOTORIZED MADNESS
Submitted by foc on Thu, 09/17/2009 - 11:16am
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Comments Needed on Forest Service Vehicle Plan

The Clearwater National Forest just released its draft environmental impact statement (DEIS) designating routes open to off-road vehicles (ORVs) and snowmobiles. This “Travel Plan” is supposed to address the problem of unmanaged and unregulated motorized recreation, which has increased dramatically throughout the West in the past decade. The deliberate failure of the Forest Service to close sensitive wildlife habitat, as is required in the 1987 Clearwater forest plan, threatens Weitas Creek, Pot Mountain, Fish and Hungery Creeks and other wild places in the Clearwater National Forest. Friends of the Clearwater has notified the Forest Service many times during the past decade that it must close sensitive areas to ORVs as directed in the forest plan. Nevertheless, places once intended for quiet recreation (horse and foot traffic) are now being used by ORVs.

The Weitas Creek roadless area/proposed wilderness is perhaps the most important wildland in the Clearwater National Forest. This 260,000 acre roadless area is under tremendous pressure from organized motorized vehicle groups that would like every trail be open for motorized abuse. (Says Who? And what is this groups definition of "abuse"? A motorcyle mearly riding on a trail? I venture into the backcountry on designated trails all the time on my motorcycle and as far as I can see, everyone sticks to the trail and uses the bridges to cross the streams where built - we are as ademate about protecting the plant life and minimizing erosion and thus pretty much only disturbing habitat (and hikers) by sound. Yes, I can see how that disturbs the peace but that's why you have millions and millions of already designated wilderness at your disposal.) To make matters worse, almost every acre in the entire forest is open to winter snowmobile use, threatening rare species like wolverine and lynx. (How do we threaten them when they can hear us from miles away and thus take shelter? Let alone, we're pretty much here and gone in a few seconds unless we stop for a break.

The Draft Environmental Impact Statement

The Forest Service is analyzing 4 alternatives, none of which close all of the Weitas Creek roadless area or other roadless areas to motorized abuse. (Is this true? Are we really destroying this area or is it one Jack Ars hillbilly that came in his motorcycle and carved up a hillside that he shouldnt have? Another thing, I have seen horses do FAR MORE damage to trails than I have seen motorcycles do. Go to Woodside California's equestrain freindly park and check out that damage! And they ousted mountain bikers because of the damage they would do. Completely hypicrital!!!!! The steep trails are devastated in sections from the horses hooves making it hard for my short legs to even climb up that trail!!!!!) Each alternative would eliminate the wildlife protections promised in the 1987 forest plan. The Forest Service is reneging on its written promises to the public and breaking the law. (Maybe because they didnt find evidence of the abuse?)

The Wild Clearwater

The Weitas Creek roadless area includes three major stream systems--Weitas, Cayuse and Fourth of July Creeks, all tributaries to the North Fork Clearwater. Wilderness studies in the late 70’s and early 80’s concluded Weitas Creek was the most important unroaded area on the Clearwater for wildlife habitat. The lower elevations around Weitas Creek provide important habitat diversity which compliments the higher ridges that separate the major stream systems. Hemlock Creek, a tributary of Weitas Creek, is a proposed research/natural area. In one of the few, upper-elevation areas--near Weitas Butte- -there is a unique higher-elevation stand of ancient cedars. (Let me guess, we are destroying the cedars too? Are we shaking the bark off from the noise of our machines?)

Visitors to Weitas Creek have traditionally been those interested in non-motorized recreation: hikers, hunters, anglers, photographers, backpackers, and bird watchers. The explosion of the ORV industry and the intentional failure of the Forest Service to implement its own plan, have allowed for the incremental loss of places for quiet, primitive recreation to take place. (Uhhh - what about the other how many MILLIONS and MILLions of acres of wilderness that you have to hike, hunt, angle in, photograph, pack and watch birds in peacefully?????)

The Pot Mountain roadless area contains important mountain goat habitat and may be the wildest unprotected area on the Clearwater. It has dramatic changes in elevation and is prone to severe erosion from motorcycles and snowmobiles. (How do snowmobiles cause erosion? And again, I've seen horses do far more damage to trails than motorcycles!!!!!)Fish and Hungery Creeks are the most important steelhead streams in all of Idaho. This roadless area should be closed to motorized recreation in order to protect spawning grounds and other watershed values.

Certain areas adjacent to the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness are closed to ORV’s and motorcycles, but open to snowmobiles. (Possibley because snowmobiles do not cause erosion? Or maybe I'm wrong.)

When Bob Marshall first gained protection for this area in the 1930s, the old primitive area went all the way
down to the present-day trailheads. Illegal snowmobile use is taking place in the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness because it is allowed to occur in the adjacent roadless areas. (If so, as a fellow snowmobiler, I say hang 'em! But why punish all of us who abide by the rules? Should we ban all hikers from the trails because one left their empty plactic water bottle out there? Or what about our Salmon and Snake Rivers that are hugely popular for multi-overnight rafting trips - shouldnt we ban these guys because they often leave several traces behind of their visitation? We are often picking up junk from the the sandy beaches in these canyons.... BBQ grills, toilet paper, wrappers, bottles.... yes, it could be fellow jet boaters too but most jet boaters have plenty of room for all their trash, it's much easier for us to pack our stuff and we are already highly senstivitive to our limited use, knowing very well we are hated and we often take extra care in upholding a good reputation. There's always the jack arses though.)

Clearwater National Forest roadless areas are crucial recovery habitat for wolves, grizzlies and wolverines. In order for grizzlies to recover, these areas must be closed to motor vehicles. (Is it proven that these species are not recovering because of motorized recreationists in this area?)Already, the Clearwater National Forest has dedicated areas such as Deception Saddle, Clarke Mountain, Sheep Mountain and almost all of the Palouse Ranger District to offroad vehicle access. The roadless areas must be closed to motor vehicles to give rare species the chance to recover.

Take Action!

Your voice is critical in this issue because the Forest Service has the misperception its proposal is widely accepted. (Misperception by who?) An inexperienced representative from a conservation organization in Boise, who is apparently ignorant of the wild values of Weitas Creek, Fourth of July Creek, Fish Creek, and Elizabeth Lakes told the newspapers, “Certainly the plan does well to protect wilderness values and non-motorized recreation values . . .” The damage from that uniformed misstep needs to be countered by your voice. (Isn't it funny how we could say the same exact thing about these guys?!?! I personally believe that these types of agencies often feed on the ignorance of those who really dont know a thing about the areas these argencies are so called "protecting".)

There will be a letter writing-potluck party on Tuesday September 29th at 6:30 pm in Moscow. Call the FOC office at (208) 882-9755 for details.

Points To Consider

Motorized/mechanized vehicles should not be allowed in any roadless areas on the Clearwater National Forest, including Weitas Creek, Pot Mountain, Kelly Creek, Mallard-Larkins, the Upper North Fork and the areas adjacent to the Selway- Bitterroot Wilderness.

Weitas Creek is the largest roadless area on the Clearwater National Forest and arguably the most important potential wilderness. It contains unmatched lower elevation wildlife habitat.

The unmaintained 555 route in the Weitas Creek drainage should be closed at the Weitas Guard station (the bridge). It bisects crucial elk calving and wolverine habitat.

The trail to Scurvy Mountain should also be closed.
The Elizabeth Lakes area in Mallard-Larkins proposed wilderness, the Fish Lake area in the Kelly Creek (Great Burn) proposed wilderness, and the trails in Fish Creek—the most important steelhead stream in Idaho--must all be closed to motors.

Send comments by October 2 to:

Kamiah Ranger Station
ATTN: Lois Foster, Travel Planning IDT Leader
Attn: Designated Route and Area for Motor Vehicle Use Planning
Route 2 Box 191
Kamiah, ID 83536

or by email to: comments-northern-clearwater@fs.fed.us"

Article URL: http://www.friendsoftheclearwater.org/articles/help-protect-weitas-creek-and-pot-mountain-motorized-madness

Send your comments sledders!
 
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Here's the letter that I sent to comments-northern-clearwater@fs.fed.us


To whom it may concern,



I am adamantly opposed to closing any of these areas to motorized access. My family and I love to enjoy the mountains via jeep and snowmobile. When Jeeping, We stay on the trails and get to see some of the most beautiful areas that we otherwise would not be able to see. My favorite passion is snowmobiling and does NO harm to the land at all. I hate to see some of the lies that claim snowmobiles cause erosion. Logic says it is impossible for snowmobiles to cause erosion. Studies also show that wildlife is less concerned about us than they are of hikers. Not to mention, how many deer or elk are in the areas where we ride? The answer is none, most areas we ride in get 200 to 400" of snow. We aren't disturbing the wildlife. There are also already hundreds of thousands of acres of wilderness if a hiker want's to use w/o hearing us. Stop closing our access to public lands. I can assure you, that all of the snowmobilers that I ride with, love and respect the forests and we do not harm the mountains or wildlife in any way. Please keep public land open to public access.



Respectfully,



Dave and Emma Maness
 
Wouldn't that be funny, if a few hundred motorized people showed up, and I don't know, brought some barbecued wolverine for the pot luck.

September 29th, you still have time to make it.
 
We can NOT let up with our fight...and we HAVE to get the word out beyond SW'ers. We're not enough.
 
Comment Deadline: October 1st, 2009

Send Comments to:
Kamiah Ranger Station
Attn: Lois Foster, Travel Planning lOT Leader
Rt. 2, Box 191
Kamiah, ID 83536

Or, Email: comments-northern-clearwater@fs.fed.us
Be sure to add "Travel Planning" to the Subject line.

Here's some comments to throw in your email.

The Forest Service should not close Great Burn. It is a historical snowmobile area, and very important to snowmobilers. It is remote, and has no user conflicts.

The Forest Service should not close RWA (recommended wilderness areas), you are violating the Wilderness Act, by making all RWAs Defacto Motorized Wilderness. This is not what Congress intended.

Closing RWAs is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to create Wilderness.

The Winter Portion of the Travel Plan, should not be completed until the Forest Plan is completed. Following region ones own rules, historical snowmobile areas will be removed from the Great Burn RWA once completed. Saving this great destination for generations to come.

The Great Burn area is the last alpine riding area left for motorized travel. The environmentalist have already closed half of the Great Burn, on the Montana Side. Snowmobilers need the other half.

Snowmobiles cause no damage to the forest. They are less destructive than hikers. They are an appropriate way to visit our Multiple Use, Public Lands.

The Forest Service says they are only closing only 11 percent of the Clearwater National Forest. When in fact Great Burn is all the good off trail snowmobiling in the Clearwater National Forest; and represents nearly half of the rideable terrain in the Clearwater National Forest.

Closing Great Burn will only increase winter user conflict within the Clearwater National Forest.

There are 4 million acres of National Forest, closed to snowmobilers, on the south side of the Clearwater National Forest. The snowmobile community only want 150,000 acres of Great Burn to ride in. Why does the snowmobile community not receive equal reciprocity, acre for acre, for ever acre that only skiers can use? Snowmobilers should have their own areas, just as skiers and snowshoers do.

The Clearwater National Forest has closed 40% of the motorcycle acreage since the 1987 Forest Plan, and appears to be ready to close another 40% of the motorcycle acreage in this Travel Plan, it also appears that snowmobiles will loose 40% of their usable acreage in this travel plan. How many 40% losses of acreage, can a sport survive? It appears the Clearwater National Forest has a trend developing.

Snowmobiles where using the Great Burn area before it became a Recommended Wilderness Area in 1987. And, when the State Petitions (State Roadless Area Plan) was submitted for the Clearwater National Forest, the Forest Service had no problem designating the area potential wilderness. But now, suddenly the area is under threat. Yet snowmobile registrations are going down, and general usage is on the decrease.

The Great Burn area is nearly 20 miles from the nearest parking lot, there are no other users that can use this area. It has no conflict, no damage from snowmobiles. One can only assume this move is designed to keep the public out of it's public lands.
 
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SAWS Members,

Below is the alert that SAWS sent out August 18 asking for you input on the
DEIS for the Clearwater NF travel plan. SAWS recommended that you support
"Alternative A" in our original Clearwater DEIS Action Alert sent out August
18, and have verified with Forest Service managers that this is a perfectly
legal and valid alternative. Since then new facts, feedback, and lengthy
discussion between SAWS volunteer directors, has resulted in a more precise
equivalent alternative, "Modified Alternative B". SAWS would like for our
membership to include in their comments that the Forest Service has not
demonstrated that an early season forest wide closures is scientifically
imperative to the needs of big game animals during their seasonal migration
to wintering grounds. For all intensive purposes this is saying the same
thing as Alternative A, but adding a challenge to an unproven attempt to
limit snowmobiling. No net loss of riding terrain or season. SAWS finds
either alternative to be acceptable. What is critical, and this has been
repeatedly expressed by the Forest Service Managers, is that you write good
substantive comments in your own words. The comments are what the Forest
Service records and acts on; not the alternative you select.

If you have not sent your comments to the Forest Service please do so in the
next few days. The comment deadline is this coming Friday.

Thanks. Scott

Here's the original SAWS alert.
http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/Action_Alerts/09/SAWS_Action_Alert_-_CNF_Travel_Plan_-_DEIS.htm
 
Put this in your comments also.

The Forest Service Should Leave These Historically Snowmobile Areas Open -
Boise Meridian
Mostly Hoodoo –
T41nR12e Sec 30,32,4,5,8,9,10,15,21,22,28,27,33,34
T40nR12e Sec3,10,11,12,13,24
T40nR13e Sec 18,19
Mostly Surveyor-
T39nR13e Sec1,2,3,11,12,14,15,20,21,26,27,28,29,32,33,34,35,36
Mostly Blacklead-
T38nR13e Sec 1,2,3,4,8,9,10,11,14,17,23,24,25
T38nR14e-Sec30,31,32
Mostly Crooked Fork-
T39nR14e-Sec 30,19,20,21,28,33,34,16,9
T38nR14e- 33,34,28,21,16,20,29,19,30
 
Wouldn't that be funny, if a few hundred motorized people showed up, and I don't know, brought some barbecued wolverine for the pot luck.

September 29th, you still have time to make it.

We have the same deal going on here, we had 200 people show up to one of there (green) meetings with there HOME TOWN "parks and rec" dept. Only 4 of "them" showed up, talk about throw a kink in there thoughts and presentation.
 
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