Forest Service proposes rabbit ears parking expansion

[psychoneurosis]

Hi everyone

Just got an email from the Forest Service that they are seeking comment letters on the proposed parking expansions on Rabbit Ears. the scoping letter is reasonably short

I have not had a chance to review them but given the snow and # of people riding I wanted to start spreading the word so we can get a lot of comments in favor. Hopefully have a summary together quickly but the cover letter and maps are attached

Deadline is Feb 1 2013 and the comments should be snail mailed to:

Anthony Koch, Environmental Coordinator, USDA Forest Service, 100 Main Street, PO Box 158, Walden CO, 80480.

Comments via email should be sent to:

comments-rm-medicine-bow-routt-hahns-peak-bears-ears@fs.fed.us

 

[bushy]

No. Expand parking at at the Rawah Wilderness area lots and let snowmobiles "exapnd" into that un-used area.

 

[bushy]

Better yet. RE-claim (from the twig pigs) the entire pass area (East and West) and Allow snowmobiling sledding all over the pass. Whatever you do, do not jam more people into an already over-crowded area. Grow a set and stand up to them.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

Better yet. RE-claim (from the twig pigs) the entire pass area (East and West) and Allow snowmobiling sledding all over the pass. Whatever you do, do not jam more people into an already over-crowded area. Grow a set and stand up to them.

Yeah, no kidding. Today was insane and it was an early season Friday
Luckily there were no as$clowns in Class A diesel pushers taking up 20 spots. People were parked nice, straight and organized. A very welcome sight

 

[Dogmeat]

I say just leave it the way it is.

I never have a problem getting a parking space there.

 

[DeepPow]

We ride there every weekend and always find parking the diesel pusher has just as much right to park there as the rest of use do PJ's the only one that has parking issues I say leave it alone we don't need more people in the area... Next thing it will be paid parking in there new lot.

 

[Snowhat]

What a joke. The Walden snowmobile club built the Muddy Creek lot with Jackson Couny equipment for free and isn't supposed to ever have a fee. At the time, we wanted to make it bigger and the forest service wouldn't let us. They tried this on the pass going to Laramie. They changed over 2 perfectly good parking lots, put in bathrooms, and now charge. Now, nobody uses the lots, and parks everywhere else that is free. Government at work!

 

[Dogmeat]

The only thing the USFS needs to do here is to put one of those remote-controlled speed limit signs up about 1/2 way between MC and Summit then maybe 1/4th of a mile down 40 east of Summit .... When the weather gets bad and they know there will be a lot of trailer traffic in that lot, have someone in the office click the switch and now the sign lights up showing the speed limit is 30 mph for that section of road around the bend ... Put those radar gun signs in there to flash at people .... they just enable all that on the weekends when there is a lotta snow, when there isn't its normal how it is now.

Don't need to make that any more complicated than it needs to be. Just do something to make people slow down around the bend when its a high traffic day.

 

[capen4]

No. Expand parking at at the Rawah Wilderness area lots and let snowmobiles "exapnd" into that un-used area.

I agree lets get more areas to ride in

 

[bushy]

I don't believe in my wildest fantasies we'll ever get an inch of closed public land back. I just don't see anything positive in letting them push their agenda through without a challenge.

I know the parking is tough up there, but is it really a good solution to pack even more people in? It fits the FS's agenda to continue to close public land and force us all to ride the ever-dwindling lands we have left. Seems counter to a FS philosophy to "conserve the land and spread out the use". They have no problem ignoring that when it suits one of their agenda items "to herd us all together so we can be controlled"

I'm all for more parking areas for snowmobilers, just not all in the same f'n place.

 

[idareyou]

If they would open the Walton Creek lot to snowmobiles would help. It is the 1st lot west of Dumont off Highway 40 on the south side. It is big enough to get a few trucks with trailers in there. I have never seen more than 5 skier cars in there at any one time. It would require a access of some type to get into the snowmobile area or adding a little of the area back to mixed use including snowmobiles. The skiers head west from the lot so it wouldn't effect them. To add or expand an existing lot I am guessing they will have to do environmental impact studies and all the stuff that goes with them.

When I drove by the other day there was not one car in this lot. The state hwy department drives their groomer past this lot on the way from the state shop making a path for snowmobiles back to the snowmobile area now.

 

[Dogmeat]

I think the best we can hope for is they just leave it the f*ck alone ... But I'm going to suggest my idea about the radar gun speed limit signs.

 

[Doctor D]

Yeah, no kidding. Today was insane and it was an early season Friday
Luckily there were no as$clowns in Class A diesel pushers taking up 20 spots. People were parked nice, straight and organized. A very welcome sight

I park my pusher in that lot, and it takes up as much space as your friends 5 th wheels. If you could afford a pusher you would park it right there and camp with your family like the rest of us!

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I park my pusher in that lot, and it takes up as much space as your friends 5 th wheels. If you could afford a pusher you would park it right there and camp with your family like the rest of us!

I don't have any friends with 5th wheels. No need to camp, I live 15 minutes away.

And to clarify. Not all diesel pushers park like tards. All it takes is one. Typically, a pusher w/ trailer can either park on the sides (and the regulars do) or they can park side by side in the center. But you always seem to see the one guy who pulls in, turns around and parks the damn thing East/West and takinh up 7-10 normal parking spots. A little common sense and common courtesy can go a looooooong ways in a small lot like that. It's a wonderful place to ride and it's also a very crowded parking area. If people are considerate of others and we work together to keep the fights and yelling matches at bay we won't have to park and pay. I have a 33' foot motorhome and If I wanted I could trailer up there and take up just a few more feet than I do with my truck. If people like that keep doing that then the MC lot will be come the "Greenrock" of Colorado. Nobody wants that, do they?

 

[snowgood]

NO

never really had a problem with parking. sure it gets crowded but i only deal with it for about 30 min. then im gone. just another ploy that looks and smells good but once bitten into will b sour [they will charge for parking ] thats why the want it. they see unexploited dollar signs that can go into a abused and exploited account to b missmanaged and a paking lot that cost 3 times the actuall cost that will line the pockets of some contractor that is out of state.if it does happen i will not b paying anyways never really do. tell them that if they are worried about parking, stop closing areas and it will all go away. that doesnt cost anything to the forest service, spreads parking out and actually follows there statement of what there here for, to manage equel access for all. i will b sending both email and snail mail. SG

 

[yzfrevripper]

This is getting lame! Vail pass needs parking lot expansion that is where its at
the ears is a wast of time.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

This is getting lame! Vail pass needs parking lot expansion that is where its at
the ears is a wast of time.

So true. Everybody should go to Vail Pass. The Ears is being ruined by barklickers, skiers and snowshoers. Corona and Vail. Epic riding

 

[HOTRODREDNECK]

haven't you guys learned that the ears is pj's own little playground geeze..... you need to ask nicely and see if he will let you ride. my 5th fits just fine in there, all 42'

i do think usfs should allow us to use more of the x-country area that is NOT being used by skiers. that to me would be the best solution. but that is common sense so we know that won't happen.

ralph, it's all in fun so don't get butthurt

 

[Snowhat]

Another interesting fact. Don't quote me on the year,let's just say about 5 or so ago, the forest service wanted to charge at the Grizzly lot at the bottom of Buffalo. The reason it got stopped was the county commisioners here in Jackson County. They told the forest service if they were going to charge, they wouldn't plow the road to the lot and would make there own parking. Stopped them dead. The point is that they have alot of pull in the forest circus minds. 2 out of 3 commisioners are sledders. They do fight the forest circus on most all the dumb things they come up with especially any road closures.

 

[Hammertime]

No expansion

That area has enough sledders there now. More parking = more people. Open up some more riding areas and spread the use out! IDIOTS!