Figure this out!!

[Tmann]

It's a recoil problem.
When you pull the cord in the shop or on the trailer at the mountain, there is never a problem. Thing engages and recoils perfectly. Ride for a few miles and shut it off and the pull start will not engage to turn over the motor. I have pulled this off twice and checked/replaced parts, cleaned out all lube and put in new clean OEM lube. If you wait for 30 min or so up on the hill it will engage and start. This ran all last season without a single recoil issue. Guessing heat related but can't figure out why or what

97 summit 670 all stock.

 

[winter brew]

That's common....gets hot and doesn't work. Just a matter of time until it doesn't catch at all. I just replace the entire assembly and cover it with heat tape to make it last longer.

 

[towny]

Recoil problem

Hey, This happened to me and finally would not engage at all. Cold or hot!!

It’s the O-ring causing the problem! I’ll try to explain. Did this fix last year and it’s still working today. Hope I can remember exactly what I did when describing??
The O-ring wears a groove in the plastic stud then eventually doesn’t grip it enough to cause the paw to swing out. The O-ring has to fit snug enough to grip the stud but also slip when recoiling. Hence the lube!
This is how I fixed it. Take a look at the attached picture. Gently and carefully remove the metal retainer and slide the paw off. You’ll see the O-ring. Clean the stud off and you’ll see the wear mark. Go to a parts house or order a Quad-Ring of the same size as the o-ring and replace the O-ring with it. Re-assemble and see if it works!
The Quad-ring will fit on the area of the stud not worn by the O-ring and create the friction needed to swing the paw out. Add some lube when re-assembling.
You may want to put some set back in the metal retainer so it grips the stud better when re-installing.
If you totally screw up the small groove in the plastic stud that the retainer locks into when removing it! I would NOT use the recoil!! You don’t want the retainer to come off! It will cost you way more than a new recoil starter!!

Hope this helps?

 

[Tmann]

Thank you.
For years all I've heard is "that's just what happens" or "typical skidoo recoiler" Nobody could ever tell me why they fail or how. I have looked at this 3 times now and have replaced the lock and pawl but did not look too close at the Oring or it's job in the function of the recoiler. You had mentioned a "quad ring" I'm not familiar with this type. What is the difference and is this a skidoo part or auto parts store?

 

[Ox]

I don't think I ever had a recoil from our older sleds apart, but I know they weren't plastic as described above. And the fiche posted is for the newer SerII motors, not the 670. I don't think their the same. ???

AFAIK the 670 didn't use an O-ring?


If it was a newer recoil - I too would guess that your O-ring was shot. But not sure on the 670. Doesn't that use a coil spring somehow to engage the pawl on that one? I know the older sleds did.

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[towny]

OH Man!!! I didn’t notice you had a 670?? Sorry I don't know a thing about the pre-800 re-coils. Never had one apart.

 

[Tmann]

My 96 has the metal recoiler. my buddies 97 has the plastic with the o ring set up. Went to the doo dealer and the replacement recoilers are almos all the the same on these older ones. They are plastic with a mounting plate that has screw holes and uses the oring system. My 96 has the spring to engage.

 

[Tmann]

I guess my next question would be...does anyone make a good aftermarket recoil or are we stuck with the doo poo that costs an arm and a leg? Dealer here wants around $190 for the recoiler. That's a lot of cash for a pile of doo pooo. Someone must have truely fixed this problem by now. Right?

 

[Ox]

I have upgrades for the newer ones, but not for the old. I never heard of much issues with the old ones.

If your pawl is just shot after 15 yrs, then maybe you can just buy the pawl?

My pawls won't work for the spring types. I designed that part out of them to make them stronger.

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