Federal Employees average $71,000 per year

[FriscoProx]

And hundreds of thousands of them are making $150K-170K or above. WTF???

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20091211/1afedpay11_st.art.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

[V-Man]

I've often been puzzled where all our tax dollars go. Payroll!!

 

[Sand2Snow]

i make 14.71 hr. working for the man. wish i could get that 6 figures.

 

[ruffryder]

i make 14.71 hr. working for the man. wish i could get that 6 figures.

Work in the defense industry then....

The report also states that salaries are 26% lower then comparable jobs in the private sector. Interesting point to think about.

 

[Good to Go]

Work in the defense industry then....

The report also states that salaries are 26% lower then comparable jobs in the private sector. Interesting point to think about.

Haven't read it:

but I'm sure that the report doesn't state that they get paid even where there isn't anything to do; that they have great job security; that their benefits far increase the 'salary'; and that they don't actually have to work hard.


just thought I'd throw the truth wrench in there.

 

[ruffryder]

Haven't read it:

but I'm sure that the report doesn't state that they get paid even where there isn't anything to do; that they have great job security; that their benefits far increase the 'salary'; and that they don't actually have to work hard.


just thought I'd throw the truth wrench in there.

Watch out, that wrench might ricochet and hit you!

I think your experience with STATE government might be jading your opinion here. What FEDERAL employees are you talking about here? Note we aren't talking about the DMV, DOL, or what have you.

I don't think there are as many low level workers at the FED level as compared to the state level.

 

[ruffryder]

The growth in six-figure salaries has pushed the average federal worker's pay to $71,206, compared with $40,331 in the private sector.

I don't think there are many low level employees for this comparison to be valid. The private sector would include all the McDonalds workers, fast food, labor jobs.

When a large percentage of the fed jobs require more then a HS diploma, of course the pay will be higher then average. I don't think there are many labor jobs for the FED... lol

 

[lucky13]

i had a freind that worked at hill afb, and bragged that all he had to do is play video games all day for $26.00 an hour, he gave blood every month to get a half day off with pay, got a months notice if they were going to drug test him, i could go on. i think they got there values from congress

 

[milehighassassin]

Work in the defense industry then....

The report also states that salaries are 26% lower then comparable jobs in the private sector. Interesting point to think about.

Exactly. Reading comprehension owns most people on this forum.

Do we really want people who have access to your national defense secrets to be making "sub-par" salaries?

 

[swampwater]

Ive pretty much determined the comprehension problem is yours, and just how many of these federal workers have access to our national defense records and what determines sub par salaries. If the pay is that bad why do they have thousands of apps for every job openning. Swampy

Exactly. Reading comprehension owns most people on this forum.

Do we really want people who have access to your national defense secrets to be making "sub-par" salaries?

 

[ruffryder]

Ive pretty much determined the comprehension problem is yours,

Good one!! You going to kick sand now too?

and just how many of these federal workers have access to our national defense records

15? 150? 1500? How many does it need to be?

and what determines sub par salaries.

The report also states that salaries are 26% lower then comparable jobs in the private sector. Interesting point to think about.

So what were you saying about reading comprehension? lol

If the pay is that bad why do they have thousands of apps for every job openning. Swampy

Because the private industry has tens of thousands of apps? Soo... what job are you talking about here? Secret Service? FBI? CIA? Judges? NERC? FERC? I think you are mistaking State govt with the Feds. We aren't talking DMV here, or police, or pot hole fillers...

 

[U81I812]

I can live with the 71K a year average, it's all the extra stuff that pisses me off.

Remember the whole GM and Ford union deal? Current healthcare plus lifetime healthcare plus pension was said to be worth an additional $70 per hour.

Well this is the same deal gov folks get and it's totall bull$hit that we have to pay for this.

 

[ruffryder]

Remember the whole GM and Ford union deal? Current healthcare plus lifetime healthcare plus pension was said to be worth an additional $70 per hour.

That other 70 number is the cost on each current employee for all employee costs current and past. You get rid of half the employees, your per current employee cost for retired employee expenses SEEMS like it doubles.

Be wary of the denominator...

 

[swampwater]

Quote:
Originally Posted by swampwater
and just how many of these federal workers have access to our national defense records

15? 150? 1500? How many does it need to be? Ruffy

Now that is a real enlightening answer, what does your answer do to answer anything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffryder
The report also states that salaries are 26% lower then comparable jobs in the private sector. Interesting point to think about.

So what were you saying about reading comprehension? lol

Your previous statement claimed there are no Mcdonalds workers in the government so the numbers were skewed, I submit if the militat=ry wages are included the bottom wage scale of the military is not much higher than a Mcdonalds employee. Also there are no multimillion dollar wages in government but there are in the priivate sector, would that not also skew the numbers under you interpretation. And the benifits in the government sector are most likely much higher than the private sector.

Because the private industry has tens of thousands of apps? Soo... what job are you talking about here? Secret Service? FBI? CIA? Judges? NERC? FERC? I think you are mistaking State govt with the Feds. We aren't talking DMV here, or police, or pot hole fillers... __________________


You have got to be kidding! I will not waste my time documenting my statement when you begin documenting yours. Also government salaries and benifits are accross the board, federal, state, local so it is a moot point.Swampy

 

[ruffryder]

Now that is a real enlightening answer, what does your answer do to answer anything.

You seemed to make the point that it didn't matter as there weren't that many of them. So I was curious at what point does it become a problem.

Your previous statement claimed there are no Mcdonalds workers in the government so the numbers were skewed, I submit if the militat=ry wages are included the bottom wage scale of the military is not much higher than a Mcdonalds employee. Also there are no multimillion dollar wages in government but there are in the priivate sector, would that not also skew the numbers under you interpretation. And the benifits in the government sector are most likely much higher than the private sector.

Good points. You are right, the top is pretty short, so therefore that has an effect on the average. Also correct on the military and the salaries. They do shift the scale lower. I wonder if they were included in the study? hmmm...

Though the 26% less than COMPARABLE jobs is the key here. What do you have to say about that?

You have got to be kidding! I will not waste my time documenting my statement when you begin documenting yours. Also government salaries and benifits are accross the board, federal, state, local so it is a moot point.Swampy

Do you want me to post job openings for the jobs areas listed above? The difference between a military job and a civilian contractor is fricken huge man. Like 200 - 300 % pay difference.

Other areas the difference is not so much..

 

[swampwater]

You seemed to make the point that it didn't matter as there weren't that many of them. So I was curious at what point does it become a problem.

I have no idea how many of them their are but I bet there not at the bottom or middle of the payscale so I don't think there is a problem there.

Good points. You are right, the top is pretty short, so therefore that has an effect on the average. Also correct on the military and the salaries. They do shift the scale lower. I wonder if they were included in the study? hmmm...

No idea either, I guess need to read the whole study and criteria.



Though the 26% less than COMPARABLE jobs is the key here. What do you have to say about that?

would have to read the study you picked that stat from, got a link?
A comparison say with a carpenter might look pretty skewed for instance as a union carpenter could make about 60,000.00 per year before overtime and a federal maintenance employee might make around the same but gets no where near as much overtime which boosts the pay tremendously. However the federal employee has greater stability, they don't get laid off when the work slows down and they receive pretty good benefits while the union carpenter receives no benefits their medical for intamce is provided through the union and deducted from their wages. Probably not part of that study.
Does the federal government pay state industrial and state employment taxes on their employees? It is impossible to compare unless it includes all factors within the study.

Do you want me to post job openings for the jobs areas listed above? The difference between a military job and a civilian contractor is fricken huge man. Like 200 - 300 % pay difference.

I don't think there is any comparison between the military and private contractors since we continue to underpay our military personal, won't argue with you on that one

Other areas the difference is not so much..

Other than that be sure and have a merry Christmas. Swampy

 

[ruffryder]

Other than that be sure and have a merry Christmas. Swampy

Swampy, the link to the study about the 26% is in the first post..

Have a happy holiday (kept it pc just for you)!

 

[swampwater]

Swampy, the link to the study about the 26% is in the first post..

Have a happy holiday (kept it pc just for you)!

Ahh I see:Jessica Klement, government affairs director for the Federal Managers Association, says the federal workforce is highly paid because the government employs skilled people such as scientists, physicians and lawyers. She says federal employees make 26% less than private workers for comparable jobs.Looks like the input from the managers union!

For feds, more get 6-figure salaries
Average pay $30,000 over private sector

Actual finding by USA Today analysis.

Have a happy holiday (kept it pc just for you)!Ruffy

Save your soul Ruffy, come to Jesus and have a merry Christmas, it won't hurt and the benefits are worth it. Swampy

 

[Puff_N_AK]

Exactly. Reading comprehension owns most people on this forum.

Do we really want people who have access to your national defense secrets to be making "sub-par" salaries?

Hmmm,,,,, what about the guy who sold our nuclear secrets to the chinese under our other first minority president Clinton???????? Guess his 6 figure salary wasn't enough for him to be trusted with our nations secrets.

 

[ruffryder]

For feds, more get 6-figure salaries
Average pay $30,000 over private sector

Welcome to the beginning of the discussion... Go back 2 spaces... ha ha..

As stated you are comparing the average of all fed employees to the average of all non-fed employees (the private sector).. not comparable jobs in the private sector..

Good job at the discrediting of the source... if it doesn't stand to your point, it is bs.. ha ha... Isn't that at liberal method..

Commiee...