EXTENED CHAINCASE AND 3" LUG/15" WIDE Challenger-X FOR THE PRO CHASSIS

[mountainhorse]

Keeping up the trend of listening to what you guys need, I have another product idea that might just interest you.

I just got off the phone with Mike from Ice Age Mfg.

We talked about new product offerings...and the topic of tall lug tracks came up.

They will be making an extended chaincase and cover for the 2011 Pro Chassis if there is any demand for this.

The chain case will be a bolt on replacement for the existing case and give you the adequate clearance needed to run the Ch-extreme 2.5" on 8 tooth drivers or even the 3" tall lug tracks.

They would also offer the Camoplast Challenger Extreme 3" paddle tracks in 15" wide x 162" and 174" to fit this chassis.

All billet construction with billet cover and chain.

This case will run all brake/bearings/tensioner/gearing from the stock unit and will include a custom length chain as well.

No details as of yet on the dimension of case or clearance... but this one should be as good as their other products.

Target price is approx $700 but will depend on demand.

If you are interested give mike a call at Ice Age Mfg. (877)-5-ICEAGE
or drop him an email... mike@wiktel.com

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[pura vida]

i'm assuming the price will include everything needed to drop the other side of the drive shaft as well?

pv

 

[mountainhorse]

Yep... there will be an aluminum plate for the lower part... the PTO-side driveshaft bearing.

i'm assuming the price will include everything needed to drop the other side of the drive shaft as well?

The price is not fixed yet though... It could go up or down based on actual production costs.

 

[pura vida]

this might work really well just with the stock setup to provide more bulkhead clearance. although it will change the handling of the sled. which with how well the new pro sled are suppose to handle in stock form i would hate to do anything to degrade that. although i'm sure you could get it back through tuning...? i bet it would void my 4 year warranty too...? although if you could put it back to stock... more things to consider before i even get the new sled!

pv

 

[Ask Yourself]

i believe robbie at avid is also making an extended chain case too... he makes top of the line product also.. be interesting to see witch way they both go with this...

 

[Robbie]

Rush/ 2011 RMK extended chaincase

Here is a picture of Avid's extended chaincase for the Rush and 2011 RMK. This will be available in the fall. 3" paddles and 8 tooth 3" drivers are now possible. Contact Fastrax or Avid for more info.
Next step, narrowing a 174 3".

 

[pura vida]

so what is the relative drop and roll from these extended chaincases?

pv

 

[mountainhorse]

Both would be 1" down 1" back.

 

[AndrettiDog]

There was a lot of discussion how this couldn't be done (rolling the chaincase) on the Pro-RMK because of room. Apparently that was not true?

 

[mountainhorse]

There was a lot of discussion how this couldn't be done (rolling the chaincase) on the Pro-RMK because of room. Apparently that was not true?

Still not true Bug...

A D&R for a stock chaincase is not possible because the jackshaft is already on the bulkhead and the secondary really cant be moved.

This is a replacement chaincase wich does not Drop NOR roll the chaincase... it is a longer case with the driveshaft repositioned. The jackshaft stays in the same place as stock. Only the Driveshaft is moved by making a longer chaincase with new position for the driveshaft.

Great to see two top notch companies offering an alternative for the stock driveshaft location!!

 

[pura vida]

thanks horse. actually the extended chain case would be a substantially easier option than a traditional d&r, although generally more expensive. but with the time and effort savings it decidedly could be worth it. too bad that would more than likely eliminate the wonderful 4 year warranty...

so the next question is, what and how much of an effect is that one inch down and one inch back going to have on the handling. this would be my biggest concern.

pv

 

[IQRIDR]

thanks horse. actually the extended chain case would be a substantially easier option than a traditional d&r, although generally more expensive. but with the time and effort savings it decidedly could be worth it. too bad that would more than likely eliminate the wonderful 4 year warranty...

so the next question is, what and how much of an effect is that one inch down and one inch back going to have on the handling. this would be my biggest concern.

pv

Agreed, the D&R is more of a pain in the *** in general and the extended case in a great way to go. The chaincase and driveshaft related warranty items would obviously be affected also.

I would think you would end up with a little more ski pressure but the disadvantages would be outweighed by the advantages of the 3" track for the guys really loving the steep n deep.

 

[pura vida]

I would think there would be as much advantage for everyone just b/c of the added clearance, thus less drag. The addition track options is just a plus, granted a big one.

 

[gman086]

I guess I don't see it unless all you guys have a different sled to ride for fall and late spring conditions??? The extended case (versus a D&R) exposes your drivers MORE = bent drive shafts. You can get a 2.5 C-Xtrm in there easy without an extended case. I guess if you live in Sicamous/Revy where you're blessed with perfect/deep conditions all the time but NO THANKS for here in the Cascades!

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[mountainhorse]

There is a BIG differnce between getting something to "fit" and having proper clearance.

The Stock Polaris track does not have the correct clearance much less a 2.5" Ch Extreme... you have drag in the tunnel and on the clutches.... Lots written on this topic.

The Same tunnel dimensions on a Rush with a 1.25" shorter track.... HMMM.

The Ice Age Case will actually be about 1" down 3/4" back according to Mike at Ice age on Friday.

The Drive shaft on a Pro with this extended case will not be as exposed as the Edge/Wedge chassis' that most have experience with.

I'd run this Chaincase on a Pro RMK with a stock or Ch Extreme 2.5" too.

I agree with GMan... in the Cascades... you dont even need a 2.5" track....BUT you do have high moisture content snow that is hard for the motor/clutches to "pump" out of the restricted opening at the front of the tunnel.

The stock configuration is fine for most of the riders out there... including the track... People who are more demanding with riding, or mods benefit from changes like this or in their suspension or setup... Heck the stock clutching is fine for most riders.

 

[Rick!]

I guess I don't see it unless all you guys have a different sled to ride for fall and late spring conditions??? The extended case (versus a D&R) exposes your drivers MORE = bent drive shafts. You can get a 2.5 C-Xtrm in there easy without an extended case. I guess if you live in Sicamous/Revy where you're blessed with perfect/deep conditions all the time but NO THANKS for here in the Cascades!

Have FUN!

G MAN

true dat.

There is a BIG differnce between getting something to "fit" and having proper clearance.

The Stock Polaris track does not have the correct clearance much less a 2.5" Ch Extreme... you have drag in the tunnel and on the clutches.... Lots written on this topic.

The Same tunnel dimensions on a Rush with a 1.25" shorter track.... HMMM. .

I don't think the tunnels are the same. The funky suspension and fuel tank push the top of the tunnel down on the short track, I bet.

The Ice Age Case will actually be about 1" down 3/4" back according to Mike at Ice age on Friday.

The Drive shaft on a Pro with this extended case will not be as exposed as the Edge/Wedge chassis' that most have experience with. .

Mike's design guy knows how much more the driveshaft is exposed - maybe they can fill us in on the details. Also, how much do the rails need to be chopped?

I'd run this Chaincase on a Pro RMK with a stock or Ch Extreme 2.5" too.

I agree with GMan... in the Cascades... you dont even need a 2.5" track....BUT you do have high moisture content snow that is hard for the motor/clutches to "pump" out of the restricted opening at the front of the tunnel.

The stock configuration is fine for most of the riders out there... including the track... People who are more demanding with riding, or mods benefit from changes like this or in their suspension or setup... Heck the stock clutching is fine for most riders.

 

[mountainhorse]

I don't think the tunnels are the same. The funky suspension and fuel tank push the top of the tunnel down on the short track, I bet.

You are correct... The tunnels are not the same...But the dimensions of the bulkhead/drivesaft interface height and height of the tunnel relative to the top of the bulkhead are, essentially, the same...Check out FTX's thread on their Rush build up in the projects section... good pix.

Mike's design guy knows how much more the driveshaft is exposed - maybe they can fill us in on the details. Also, how much do the rails need to be chopped?

No "chopping" required...But a skid setback IS.
Unless you are using Combo drivers.

With all of the D&R's on the IQ-RMK's with the relative same dimensions for Driveshaft location (not Jackshaft) .... not hearing about bent driveshafts on those... I really dont think this is an issue IMO.

I just dont think that it is as much of a problem as it was on the big D&R's necessary on the Edge chassis and other makes/models.

Kinzer has Abused the crap out of one of his sleds with the FTX D&R and no issues.

 

[mountainhorse]

The extended case (versus a D&R) exposes your drivers MORE = bent drive shafts.

I'm curious as to how a D&R that would put your driveshaft in the same location will be differnent in the "exposure" of the shaft?

A D&R keeps the distance from the jack/drive shafts the same... just moves the whole thing down (drop) & rotates it slightly (roll).

An extended chaincase leaves the jack shaft in the same location and moves the Driveshaft down/back....Plus no cutting on the bulkhead other than the PTO side bearing for the driveshaft...The case would bolt in place of the stocker.

A 1"x1" D&R puts the driveshaft in the same location as a 1"x1" Chain case extension.

 

[mountainhorse]

I saw the first case at Ice Age last week... great to have options for these sleds.

More to come in the next month I'm told from Ice Age.