engine ice or watter wetter Q

[off road rider]

My mod Hawk doesn't like the groomed trail to much,, well neither do I, but sometimes its a necessity. H2o Heat build up is an issue. scratchers help but I need more cooling, short of redoing my exchanger's right now maybe watter wetter will help? Ive been running engine ice.. that did help, but I have heard that engine ice might be better..

Anyone here have exp with both? and if so what ratio are you running your watter wetter to antifreeze mixture.

Thanks

 

[oscar680]

I ran engine ice in an ultra with the same problem, didnt work at all. never tried water wetter in the sled but I used it in my 78 Dodge mud truck and it worked exacty like advertised droped the engine temp close to 10* I know the product claims that it improves heat transfer but I wonder if it only works with steel cooling systems? there just might not be enough room for improvement in an aluminum cooling system to solve overheating issues?

 

[off road rider]

I ran engine ice in an ultra with the same problem, didnt work at all. never tried water wetter in the sled but I used it in my 78 Dodge mud truck and it worked exacty like advertised droped the engine temp close to 10* I know the product claims that it improves heat transfer but I wonder if it only works with steel cooling systems? there just might not be enough room for improvement in an aluminum cooling system to solve overheating issues?

I think 10deg would help alot.. I know they sell ww in the dirtbike stores and its supposed to work by eliminating small bubbles on the surface of the cooling system. should be the same for alu?????

 

[Mjunkie]

I've run redline water wetter and purple ice in my sled before. It did help drop the temps by probably 10 degrees (and I just guessed on the ratio but definitely put more in than it said to use), but for the worst conditions for cooling it wasn't enough for my sled. I ended up putting a larger heat exchanger in the back and then I never had any problems. On my sled it ran SO much better if I kept the temps in the 100 to 120's and the 10 degrees didn't keep it in that "sweet" range in all conditions, so I did the exchanger. If you think 10 degrees is all you need it will do the job, but if you want to make sure you'll never have a problem, do the heat exchanger. I don't know much about snowhawks but on my M7 bb, the crossfire (which is much larger) heat exchanger went on in place of the other without doing pretty much any mods to make it fit. Well worth the money and little time for me.

 

[off road rider]

I've run redline water wetter and purple ice in my sled before. It did help drop the temps by probably 10 degrees (and I just guessed on the ratio but definitely put more in than it said to use), but for the worst conditions for cooling it wasn't enough for my sled. I ended up putting a larger heat exchanger in the back and then I never had any problems. On my sled it ran SO much better if I kept the temps in the 100 to 120's and the 10 degrees didn't keep it in that "sweet" range in all conditions, so I did the exchanger. If you think 10 degrees is all you need it will do the job, but if you want to make sure you'll never have a problem, do the heat exchanger. I don't know much about snowhawks but on my M7 bb, the crossfire (which is much larger) heat exchanger went on in place of the other without doing pretty much any mods to make it fit. Well worth the money and little time for me.

Thanks there is no doubt I need to do something with the exchangers. this 700 runs hot in this hawk. Im just trying to get threw this season.
Anything will help..Not much room on a hawk, Looks like a custom tunnel is in order

 

[freak58trio]

Water wetter does not work when mixed with antifreeze it was designed to work with water only in race cars .

 

[off road rider]

Water wetter does not work when mixed with antifreeze it was designed to work with water only in race cars .

Ive heard this also.. some quad racers tell me of using a 25% antifeeze to water and 2 oz WW per quart of mix..

 

[Dogmeat]

I did some experimenting with some thermodynamic simulation software we have at work to size some heat exchangers and make an attempt to calculate the best antifreeze/water mix for my dirt bike last summer .... for engine ice to work as advertised, it has to have a higher specific heat capacity than a given glycol/water mix. Depending on what kind of antifreeze you're running, which I'm assuming is polypropylene glycol, the most optimal mix for my dirt bike (18 psig, 225F) was 60/40 water/antifreeze mix. That yielded the best heat transfer between the fluid and the coolers, at least according to my calcs.

Just using a 'pretend' fluid and cranking up the k value on the fluid yielded better adsorption and to a certain extent better rejection on the back side, primarily depending on the size of the cooler and air flow across it obviously. All things equal, the calculations showed I'd acheive slightly better heat transfer (cooler motor temp) with a working fluid with a higher specfic heat capacity.

So, I figured "well, ok I'll just give the engine ice a shot and see if my bike overheats" .... so far, it hasn't overheated yet .... so the engine ice, at least in certain situations, can result in your motor not boiling over, not necessarily running any cooler ..... but, if your bike boils over, you aren't getting much cooling anyway .... IMO, if you're having trouble, its at least worh a shot to give this stuff a try. You will need about $70 worth of it to fill a sled up .... also, keep in mind, its only good to -25 F, where a regular Prestone 50/50 mix will be good down to about -40 F or so .....so it could freeze up in the trailer on a way cold night if you aren't careful

 

[Mjunkie]

Water wetter does not work when mixed with antifreeze it was designed to work with water only in race cars .

Not trying to start anything, but the bottles of it I've bought and used, say right on it how much to mix WITH the 50/50 water antifreeze mix. It does say it can be used straight, but in a sled with the cold temps I wouldn't try it because of the possibility of freezing.

 

[longtrack156]

Water wetter works for me, 06 M7.

 

[off road rider]

Water wetter works for me, 06 M7.

Thanks And Im impressed.. I certainly hope Im still riding at 72.. You must be liven right

 

[freak58trio]

I've been told by many machanics that water wetter doesn't work when mixed with glyciol.

 

[2DaMax]

I have run ww in three different smallblocks with 8-71 blowers with a 50/50 water anti mix and it droped the temps in all three by 10-15 deg during street driving 2 bottles per system. I do run it in my wheelers also but I do not have temp gauges on them and I havent needed it im my sleds yet. But I can say it has shown an improvement when mixed with glycol in the stuff that I have run it in.

 

[Ove]

Water wetter works (mixed with glyco) about the same as engine ice, but the engine ice is better in the cold. It dont lower the freezing point of the coolant like ww does, ww dont lower it much eighter. Recommend!

 

[richracer1]

Water wetter works (mixed with glyco) about the same as engine ice, but the engine ice is better in the cold. It dont lower the freezing point of the coolant like ww does, ww dont lower it much eighter. Recommend!

Huh......

Water is to be mixed with, obviously, water or some a glycol mixture. Engine is to used as is, NO mixing. In fact, you have to flush your system of all the glycol mix and remove as much of the water used to flush it out. I'm running Engine Ice in my quad and put it in my sled, which runs about 117 to 119.
Engine Ice is good to -27*F.

 

[Superjag]

I know this thread is over a month old, but I wanted to chime in anyway. I've got a '94 AC EXT EFI that I keep at the cabin. About hafway through last year, the temp sending unit crapped out, so I replaced it with an actual water temp gauge. Rode the remainder of last year with the temp guage, and if the weather was warm, I would see water temps ranging between 165 - 180 (once the sled warmed up). Saw the same temps for most of this year too. Last month I bought a bottle of water wetter just for the h*ll of it. While I had my doubts, I added it to the sled per the ratio on the bottle. Since then, my water temps have been more like 155-170 (same weather).
So, it does actually seem to be making a difference of 10 degrees or so, at least in my sled. Keep in mind that that I've only been using it for a couple of weeks now, so I guess we'll see how well it works long-term.