Those who use a ebc .do you like them?are they worth 400 bucks?
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kcdavidak
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i run the percentage based unit and like it, it took a little bit to get used to. i know i'd really like the psi based unit super simple to use set it and forget it!!!.my friend has one,they both do the same thing ,but his is easy to understand set desired boost then ride.mine i kinda got to figure out what values equal what amount of boost. so yes if i was looking for a new one i wouldn't hesitate ,get the latest version
i run the percentage based unit and like it, it took a little bit to get used to. i know i'd really like the psi based unit super simple to use set it and forget it!!!.my friend has one,they both do the same thing ,but his is easy to understand set desired boost then ride.mine i kinda got to figure out what values equal what amount of boost. so yes if i was looking for a new one i wouldn't hesitate ,get the latest version
As someone who isn't a BD fan, the EBC seems like a solid unit on the sleds I know running them. Works as promised, and IMO, the PTP button is worth the $$ on it's own, but being able to control boost from the bars instead of opening the hood, and knowing exactly what you're running is pretty cool.
I'm running a cutler kit, and will be getting one, either on this kit, or on my next one.
I'm running a cutler kit, and will be getting one, either on this kit, or on my next one.
Curious, why would the EBC be more prone to this than a manual controller? (aside from the manual one being under the hood...)
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TheBreeze
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IMO it is a combination of a chunk of line being outside of the hood, and the very small id tubing that is used. It does not take much moisture/ice to clog up 1/16" id tubing or whatever it is.
The other problem is that the EBC is what sends an electronic boost signal to the boondocker box. When the EBC or line is iced up, your over boosting, and adding NO BOOST FUEL......bummer.
If you run it on your cutler kit, it would not be as big of a deal as the EBC is only controlling boost, and not supplying boost reference to your fuel box.
But don't get me wrong, I think the EBC is a sweet little unit.
The other problem is that the EBC is what sends an electronic boost signal to the boondocker box. When the EBC or line is iced up, your over boosting, and adding NO BOOST FUEL......bummer.
If you run it on your cutler kit, it would not be as big of a deal as the EBC is only controlling boost, and not supplying boost reference to your fuel box.
But don't get me wrong, I think the EBC is a sweet little unit.
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Have you had this problem, or just assuming that it could happen?
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TheBreeze
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I have had this problem. It has happened 4-5 times. Usually, I am able to clear the lines in the field. One instance it was iced up hard enough to end my day of riding. I had to remove the EBC and all the lines and thaw overnight to get it working again. The other times it rectified itself quickly, or I blew them out.
From my talks with boondocker, my experience is isolated, but they have dealt with it in the past. Today I was told that they are in the process of switching line types to 1/8 is vavccume hose with small pieces of the existing tubing at the junction points. They said the switch was for easier routing of the line, but may also help, as the larger ID hose obviously takes more water/ice to block it.
Its not a huge issue in my opinion, but I am always watching the EBC to make sure its sensing boost. When its not the sled will fall on its face significantly when giving it the beans so you can tell something is up, but it is always in the back of my mind.
I was getting a lot of snow under the hood which likely contributes to the water vapor getting into the intake track.
From my talks with boondocker, my experience is isolated, but they have dealt with it in the past. Today I was told that they are in the process of switching line types to 1/8 is vavccume hose with small pieces of the existing tubing at the junction points. They said the switch was for easier routing of the line, but may also help, as the larger ID hose obviously takes more water/ice to block it.
Its not a huge issue in my opinion, but I am always watching the EBC to make sure its sensing boost. When its not the sled will fall on its face significantly when giving it the beans so you can tell something is up, but it is always in the back of my mind.
I was getting a lot of snow under the hood which likely contributes to the water vapor getting into the intake track.
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where is the moisture coming from?
It has to be being introduced somewhere.
It has to be being introduced somewhere.
I have the 2010 EBC, ran it all season with no issues whatsoever.
This is the first turbo I've ever had, and while the push button boost control is very nice to have, so I can't comment on whether or not the EBC boost solenoid actuates the waste gate any faster or slower than a manual boost controller would .... but the built in barometer is nice. I set my boost to target the given engine RPM, and then don't have to touch it ever again.
IMO, the push-to-pass button is a lot more useful in capture mode for tuning throttle position functions.
This is the first turbo I've ever had, and while the push button boost control is very nice to have, so I can't comment on whether or not the EBC boost solenoid actuates the waste gate any faster or slower than a manual boost controller would .... but the built in barometer is nice. I set my boost to target the given engine RPM, and then don't have to touch it ever again.
IMO, the push-to-pass button is a lot more useful in capture mode for tuning throttle position functions.
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TheBreeze
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On my sled, I think the water is coming from snow that falls through the hood vent/holes below the headlight's that turns into water vapor and gets pushed down the lines when the sled is restarted.
I dont think many others have had this problem, but it is something to watch for for sure.
But again, if you are only using it as a boost controller on other brand kits, that sense boost pressure from a line off the air box, you have far less to worry about.
I dont think many others have had this problem, but it is something to watch for for sure.
But again, if you are only using it as a boost controller on other brand kits, that sense boost pressure from a line off the air box, you have far less to worry about.
Where did you mount the EBC? I mounted on my handlebar saddle vertically, worked great there.
a buddy of mine has his ebc recessed down by where the ignition key is.. i think they cut out the shape of the ebc and recessed it in there so all you see is just the front of the unit and a little of the top where you can adjust your settings...
The WBC units are extremely cool. They automatically adjust for changes in elevation and the related changes in relative air density. The digital display, in real time, of your boost is handy too. I actually ride a Polaris and I am going to sell my current model ebc and try boon dockers tps sensitive version. I wouldn't consider riding without one version or the other. Good luck.
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JHG
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I've had the same problem that Breeze is having. It led to a pretty nasty crash last season. When the line ices up the sled quits sensing boost and bogs. Depending on how much ice is in it, it will sometime bog then clean out then bog again. It almost ruined a day for me until I figured out the problem. I now carry a clean piece of line with me and when I get a chance I blow the moisture out of line that's on there. I've had more issues when the sled is left in a trailer or sitting out over night. Usually if the sled is in the garage and thaws out and drys before the next ride it's fine. It's not a huge problem but it does annoy me. The lower on your bars you mount it the better, I doubt you would have a problem if you keep the 1/16" line under the hood. The line I use is clear so you can see the ice forming. If you have a piece of black line I would replace it so you can at least watch for an issue. If I were to do it all over again, I doubt I would go with an EBC. I would ditch the one I have but my fuel booster board is inside it and I would have to completely redo my fuel system to dump the EBC. Depending on how this weekends ride goes, I might have a smokin deal available on a slightly used EBC.
hey joe, where did your cool avatar go???
So for you BD guys, the EBC does more than just work to control boost? It sounds like it's the boost reference, and it sends that signal to the BD box then?
I can see where that makes sense, but still confused as to WHY you guys are having these icing problems. My boost reference line (and at least 1/2 of people who run a dobeck style box) sits outside to go to the box... and I've never heard of them icing up. I've got mine under the hood now for safety reasons, and so I'm not thinking about tuning, but that was never the reason.
My sled never thaws out, it lives on the sled deck or in a 4 place trailer at 8500 feet all year long... so this concerns me, as I was getting close to picking one up, but don't need a potential problem on a sled that has been very pull & go for me, I want the EBC for it's simplicity, not for added complexity & issues.
I can see where that makes sense, but still confused as to WHY you guys are having these icing problems. My boost reference line (and at least 1/2 of people who run a dobeck style box) sits outside to go to the box... and I've never heard of them icing up. I've got mine under the hood now for safety reasons, and so I'm not thinking about tuning, but that was never the reason.
My sled never thaws out, it lives on the sled deck or in a 4 place trailer at 8500 feet all year long... so this concerns me, as I was getting close to picking one up, but don't need a potential problem on a sled that has been very pull & go for me, I want the EBC for it's simplicity, not for added complexity & issues.
Where does your ice typically form?
Just put one on this fall, but haven't had a chance to use it yet... not good news. Does the ice normally form right before the EBC or all through the line? I am considering using some larger vacuum line all the way to the intercooler & just having a short 2-3 inch piece of clear line right before the EBC. Also, I assume that the short chunk of line that comes out of the EBC is some kind of vent? Has it ever plugged for you?
Just want to correct the design flaws (if possible) before I drive 600 miles to ride. Thanks! --Matt
Just put one on this fall, but haven't had a chance to use it yet... not good news. Does the ice normally form right before the EBC or all through the line? I am considering using some larger vacuum line all the way to the intercooler & just having a short 2-3 inch piece of clear line right before the EBC. Also, I assume that the short chunk of line that comes out of the EBC is some kind of vent? Has it ever plugged for you?
Just want to correct the design flaws (if possible) before I drive 600 miles to ride. Thanks! --Matt
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TheBreeze
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BCIL - On the Boondocker kits with EBC, there is no boost line going to the Boondocker box. The Boondocker box gets an electronic signal from the EBC telling it how much boost is present, and the box adds fuel based off of that. Where as a Dobeck box has a larger boost reference line running directly off your air box or charge tube. If you are simply using it as a boost controller I would not be too concerned as your dobeck box will still be adding boost fuel even if the EBC or lines are iced up.
On a related note, why do you want to put any poon-bogger junk on your sled BCIL? Seems somewhat against your religion. Next thing you know, you will be running an inner-heater, and extra injectors....lol
My EBC is mounted on the bars. I bet mounting it in the console would eliminate this issue.
I want to say again that it has not been a MAJOR issue for me, but it is surely a small annoyance.
The instance where I iced it up the worst, I accidentally disconnected the boost line that runs from the junction by the steering post to the EBC. No longer having warm charge air flowing in the lines likely froze it up harder than normal. It was a very cold day and I had to remove the EBC and ALL LINES and thaw overnight to get it to function properly. The other instances were very short lived, and I had the lines clear in a matter of minutes.
On a related note, why do you want to put any poon-bogger junk on your sled BCIL? Seems somewhat against your religion. Next thing you know, you will be running an inner-heater, and extra injectors....lol
My EBC is mounted on the bars. I bet mounting it in the console would eliminate this issue.
I want to say again that it has not been a MAJOR issue for me, but it is surely a small annoyance.
The instance where I iced it up the worst, I accidentally disconnected the boost line that runs from the junction by the steering post to the EBC. No longer having warm charge air flowing in the lines likely froze it up harder than normal. It was a very cold day and I had to remove the EBC and ALL LINES and thaw overnight to get it to function properly. The other instances were very short lived, and I had the lines clear in a matter of minutes.
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i love my EBC i can adjust boost quick and as it goes up in altitude it will keep my power the same , it is also nice to have a lcd screen showing you real time boost that is easy to read and last the push to pass its a nice addition but i dont use it to much
and for all the people worried about freezing lines its not that common i have had a EBC on my sled for three season mounted on my bars and left out side pulled on an open trailer and never once had a line freeze , dont know how it would even freeze mine is on the bars and only 2 maybe 3 inches of hose is out of the hood and it gets hot air blown in it from the charge tube .
and for all the people worried about freezing lines its not that common i have had a EBC on my sled for three season mounted on my bars and left out side pulled on an open trailer and never once had a line freeze , dont know how it would even freeze mine is on the bars and only 2 maybe 3 inches of hose is out of the hood and it gets hot air blown in it from the charge tube .
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