Easter week-end comments regarding Forum

[Idaho Slim]

First ....... Regards that you and your young boys are safe, that is the most important point.

I have read thru alot of this (What I am allowed to) and I see suggestions of things to buy; the powder jack, buy snowshoes, things to do - turn the sled around, pull a ski etc. etc., but what really is the most important issue you are missing Chirstopher and what so many want to say but are leary of the back lash, is that you are the epitome of ignorance and arrogance.

You come and take over this forum and disregard the experience and the writings of us longtime members and back country riders as if this is just a walk in the park Sunday sport. You now know why we have the passion and Yes, sometimes over-zealous posting because if you are not aware and competent in this sport, The back country WILL KILL YOU.

Alot of us who do not post here anymore, know that maybe if you had spent more time reading the informative posts of the longtime experienced members rather than running members off due to political correct posting and creating a bunch of forum gadgets bells & whitsles, that you might have avoided this episode and avoided having the Search and Rescue come after trail stranded newbies.

Again, i will probably get booted for this post ......... but it needed written.

Ride safe and educate yourself.

 

[drinkwyo]

First ....... Regards that you and your young boys are safe, that is the most important point.

I have read thru alot of this (What I am allowed to) and I see suggestions of things to buy; the powder jack, buy snowshoes, things to do - turn the sled around, pull a ski etc. etc., but what really is the most important issue you are missing Chirstopher and what so many want to say but are leary of the back lash, is that you are the epitome of ignorance and arrogance.

You come and take over this forum and disregard the experience and the writings of us longtime members and back country riders as if this is just a walk in the park Sunday sport. You now know why we have the passion and Yes, sometimes over-zealous posting because if you are not aware and competent in this sport, The back country WILL KILL YOU.

Alot of us who do not post here anymore, know that maybe if you had spent more time reading the informative posts of the longtime experienced members rather than running members off due to political correct posting and creating a bunch of forum gadgets bells & whitsles, that you might have avoided this episode and avoided having the Search and Rescue come after trail stranded newbies.

Again, i will probably get booted for this post ......... but it needed written.

Ride safe and educate yourself.

100% CORRECT

 

[OuraySledder]

First ....... Regards that you and your young boys are safe, that is the most important point.

I have read thru alot of this (What I am allowed to) and I see suggestions of things to buy; the powder jack, buy snowshoes, things to do - turn the sled around, pull a ski etc. etc., but what really is the most important issue you are missing Chirstopher and what so many want to say but are leary of the back lash, is that you are the epitome of ignorance and arrogance.

You come and take over this forum and disregard the experience and the writings of us longtime members and back country riders as if this is just a walk in the park Sunday sport. You now know why we have the passion and Yes, sometimes over-zealous posting because if you are not aware and competent in this sport, The back country WILL KILL YOU.

Alot of us who do not post here anymore, know that maybe if you had spent more time reading the informative posts of the longtime experienced members rather than running members off due to political correct posting and creating a bunch of forum gadgets bells & whitsles, that you might have avoided this episode and avoided having the Search and Rescue come after trail stranded newbies.

Again, i will probably get booted for this post ......... but it needed written.

Ride safe and educate yourself.

I'm not sure about all that but...I certainly agree with the ignorant and arrogant part. Extremely ignorant of what could have happened, you should have turned around much much sooner. It was arrogant to keep going with such obviously limited skills.

I think it is freaking hilarious to read about all the gear you carry, and all the extra's you intend to ad. I find it incredibly pathetic that you can't dig out your own sled and are talking ropes, pulleys, jacks in order to get it out. All you need is a shovel and a brain. 100 to 1 I have had sleds in places that make your stuck look like a picnic in the sun. Three people with shovels and you couldn't get your sleds out?

As for the parts above about not reading experienced peoples advice, does that really surprise anybody reading this, after the paid membership fiasco? There were hundreds of suggestions given, pretty much all ignored in an arrogant fashion. People have to want to learn before they will listen. They have to be humble enough to accept they do not know enough before they look for solutions outside their own thoughts. From what I have seen, that isn't happening with Christopher. Maybe this was an eye opener, but I doubt it.

 

[Spur]

I understand the passion to be prepared, but this is a complete over reaction. The problem was not the sleds you were riding, the gear you had, or your lack of preparedness. The problem was you should not have been where you were, when you were, with whom you were.

You got in over your head and got in trouble. The answer is not to pack more gear, the answer is to know your limitations. You are a very inexperienced rider riding with even more inexperienced riders. Not a good combination given the weather conditions.

If you can't fit all your survival supplies in the seat of your sled or your backpack you seriously need to stay on groomed trails and only venture into the backcountry when accompanied by a group of experienced riders. Lets not make this about packing hundreds of pounds of gear. That's not the answer. Packing all that gear will only get you into more trouble. If you stay on your current path before next season you will need a trailer sled to pull behind your Nytro to pack your wall tent, folding wood stove, chain saw and generator. I have spent several night in below freezing temps. All you need is a way to start a fire, a little food, and a good understanding of how to layer your clothing from the inside out so you can stay dry. My guess is had you been with any of the experienced rider from Snowest such as Ryan this would not even be an issue.

 

[Super B]

First ....... Regards that you and your young boys are safe, that is the most important point.

I have read thru alot of this (What I am allowed to) and I see suggestions of things to buy; the powder jack, buy snowshoes, things to do - turn the sled around, pull a ski etc. etc., but what really is the most important issue you are missing Chirstopher and what so many want to say but are leary of the back lash, is that you are the epitome of ignorance and arrogance.

You come and take over this forum and disregard the experience and the writings of us longtime members and back country riders as if this is just a walk in the park Sunday sport. You now know why we have the passion and Yes, sometimes over-zealous posting because if you are not aware and competent in this sport, The back country WILL KILL YOU.

Alot of us who do not post here anymore, know that maybe if you had spent more time reading the informative posts of the longtime experienced members rather than running members off due to political correct posting and creating a bunch of forum gadgets bells & whitsles, that you might have avoided this episode and avoided having the Search and Rescue come after trail stranded newbies.

Again, i will probably get booted for this post ......... but it needed written.

Ride safe and educate yourself.

You nailed it Slim!

 

[skidoochic]

I thought maybe I was just unprepared for my kind of riding, but after reading this post I'm not feeling so bad anymore! We only go boondocking with experienced riders we know, and if the weather is bad, we don't go off the well beaten path - too many up here have gotten stranded and lost because you can't see where you are. We bring what we need and can carry without adding a whole bunch of extra weight - jerky/trailmix (enough protein to carry you through a couple of days), a lighter, emergency blanket and small emergency kit, shovel, GPS unit, ect. If you start bogging yourself down with crap, you're gonna get in trouble - added weight = heavier sled = get stuck more. People we know where we are going, so if anything happens, someone can come at dark for us (if we don't have cell service - we only get service about 10% of the time in our mountains).

 

[Oregongirl]

I have spent lots of time this winter perfecting my "getting unstuck" techniques. On Saturday I ended up stuck in deep snow - all by myself - since the others I was with were riding in this large open burn area. I could have called them for assistance, but I decided to attempt to tackle this one on my own. I've learned ALOT this winter about getting unstuck with my brain and not muscle.

A lot of digging, a little rocking, a little throttle and BAM! Sled was on top of the snow and ready to ride. I was feeling ESTACTIC!! All my fellow riders heard my "WAHHOOOO" of excitement echo across the backcountry.

This confidence and experience turned out to be beneficial when I got stuck, riding tail, on the way back to the truck. ....note to self....when tired and pulling up the rear - playing off the trail is maybe not such a good idea.

So then I log on to SW on Monday and read Christopher's report and am in shock to find out that just this one skill could have altered the outcome of his day so dramatically.

I have to thank all the ladies I've ridden with over the past couple of years. Seriously - it these women who have shared ideas, provided hours of practice, immense patience and guidance. Hopefully because of them and my own desire to be educated and capable, I will never be in the situation Christopher found himself in on Easter.

 

[EagleRiverDee]

I think it is freaking hilarious to read about all the gear you carry, and all the extra's you intend to ad. I find it incredibly pathetic that you can't dig out your own sled and are talking ropes, pulleys, jacks in order to get it out.

I carry a backpack with survival and avy gear in it and a tunnel bag with some tools and food. My list isn't so different from Christopher's and I tend to carry more than anyone else in my group, however it's also my pack people go to when someone breaks their leg because I'm the one with the SAM Splint and duct tape. Being able to self-rescue is important, you're right about that, but I hope you're not indicating that someone shouldn't carry some basic emergency gear?

 

[fuzz]

Very Inter-esting..learning how to get unstuck is as important as learning how to ride. Believe me in 40+ years of boondocking I've had my share.