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Backcountry Bandit

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Safety in numbers, ever hear this before?

Never has it been more important for OUR sport.

In the last month, I have been in a battle with BC Forestry in trying to keep my cabin from being burned. It is a permanent structure I built 4 years ago for snowmobiling. A place shared by many snowmobiler's who love to ride the area.

BC Forestry/caribou wildlife study group is demanding we vacate the area. The initial stages of a reserve are soon to follow.
The fight has come to an end. I will have to tear it down or face fines of up to $20,000 and possible jail time. I didn't play coward and deny it was mine, I took onus and fought for it, knowing the penalties that were at hand. But its what I learned during this fight that is even MORE vital than a wooden structure in the mountains.

BCSF SUPPORT. BC Snowmobile Federation has a FRACTION of the support that it should. A FRACTION. This isn't hearsay or some guy coming on the internet to rant about something....this is the real deal.

After trying to get aid from local clubs, I was floored of my findings. I am going to speak of a certain club but know that they are not ALONE and that MANY clubs can surely attest to the following.

The area of Tumbler/FSJ/GP is where I am discussing. An area MANY of the members on this site use for recreation. An area where last year they had a WHOPPING 25 members of their TR Ridge Riders snowmobile club. 25!

I, like many, have had excuses as to why not to join a club. I don't ride the trails. I ride in an area where its free roam.
Since I am a fairly new BC resident, I was unaware of what the BCSF did for the sport I love.

How wrong can one be? VERY wrong.

If it wasn't for the clubs in this region, we wouldn't have MANY of the area's we currently "free ride". It is due to these clubs battling off wildlife reserves and other land acts, that WE riders still have access to countless free ride area's. 25 members last year.
25 members in a community (TR) where more people own a sled or quad than those that do not. An area were HUNDREDS of people from surrounding communities ride. HUNDREDS, MANY on here, ride this awesome area. Yet 25 members are fighting for it. 25 people went to bat for hundreds.

Safety in numbers....

When forestry considers an area for a wildlife reserve they DO take considerations of the people. Although no one believes this, they do. When looked at by their people sitting at a desk in Vancouver, numbers is what they consider. Numbers are facts. The fact is, only 25 people (on paper) in the area use it for snowmobiling. 25! Hell, we can allocate one mountain and that should suffice!

Guess what? THAT IS EXACTLY what is happening. 25 people don't need a whole lot of space, lets give the BCSF this little area here and protect the rest.

You think I am kidding, exaggerating? Make some phone calls, I dare ya! I dare ya to fight for our sport!

Safety in numbers....

Some of the questions/statements that many make, many on here:

I don't ride the trails, why would a pay?

The clubs have lots of members...

I don't have the time to volunteer...

I can't afford it...

The first two questions have already been beforehand answered. The last two I want to address. "I don't have time to volunteer". This may be the case for many of us, especially those working in the patch. You do NOT need to volunteer. Pay for your membership, ride. That simple. Of course volunteering would be an asset and greatly appreciated by those that currently volunteer but its the numbers that clubs need most. Without members...there is no club.

The last statement is one that I will never understand. "I can't afford it". Really, REALLY? The most you are going to pay is $75 for the year. That is a jug and a half of oil. Less than the boots on your feet. Less than the fuel for your sled over a weekend of riding. Less than the helmet on your head. Less than the suit you wear.....I can go on, I have made my point.

We will pay thousands and thousands of dollars to get into the sport but we won't fork out $75 dollars to enable us places to ENGAGE in the sport???

What's the point of having the sleds, the gear, if we have nowhere to use it?!

I ask a question.....

What if it was MANDATORY that with the purchase of a snowmobile, there was a fee of $75 that went to the BCSF, for every year you owned the sled? Would you still purchase the sled?

Pretty simple answer to that one eh?

We need to support our clubs. We as sledders HAVE to support our clubs.

If you ride the area, support it. These guys go to bat for us, the least we could do is have their back.

Safety in numbers....

Here is a link to the TR club, it doesn't get any easier to pay for a membership. Click on the link, pay. Simple. I am also attaching a link to the BCSF site where you can purchase memberships there as well.

http://www.trridgeriders.com/page-2

https://secure.capri.ca/snow/clubsignup/


Post up your support! Got my membership, do you?
 
Safety in numbers, ever hear this before?

Never has it been more important for OUR sport.

In the last month, I have been in a battle with BC Forestry in trying to keep my cabin from being burned. It is a permanent structure I built 4 years ago for snowmobiling. A place shared by many snowmobiler's who love to ride the area.

BC Forestry/caribou wildlife study group is demanding we vacate the area. The initial stages of a reserve are soon to follow.
The fight has come to an end. I will have to tear it down or face fines of up to $20,000 and possible jail time. I didn't play coward and deny it was mine, I took onus and fought for it, knowing the penalties that were at hand. But its what I learned during this fight that is even MORE vital than a wooden structure in the mountains.

BCSF SUPPORT. BC Snowmobile Federation has a FRACTION of the support that it should. A FRACTION. This isn't hearsay or some guy coming on the internet to rant about something....this is the real deal.

After trying to get aid from local clubs, I was floored of my findings. I am going to speak of a certain club but know that they are not ALONE and that MANY clubs can surely attest to the following.

The area of Tumbler/FSJ/GP is where I am discussing. An area MANY of the members on this site use for recreation. An area where last year they had a WHOPPING 25 members of their TR Ridge Riders snowmobile club. 25!

I, like many, have had excuses as to why not to join a club. I don't ride the trails. I ride in an area where its free roam.
Since I am a fairly new BC resident, I was unaware of what the BCSF did for the sport I love.

How wrong can one be? VERY wrong.

If it wasn't for the clubs in this region, we wouldn't have MANY of the area's we currently "free ride". It is due to these clubs battling off wildlife reserves and other land acts, that WE riders still have access to countless free ride area's. 25 members last year.
25 members in a community (TR) where more people own a sled or quad than those that do not. An area were HUNDREDS of people from surrounding communities ride. HUNDREDS, MANY on here, ride this awesome area. Yet 25 members are fighting for it. 25 people went to bat for hundreds.

Safety in numbers....

When forestry considers an area for a wildlife reserve they DO take considerations of the people. Although no one believes this, they do. When looked at by their people sitting at a desk in Vancouver, numbers is what they consider. Numbers are facts. The fact is, only 25 people (on paper) in the area use it for snowmobiling. 25! Hell, we can allocate one mountain and that should suffice!

Guess what? THAT IS EXACTLY what is happening. 25 people don't need a whole lot of space, lets give the BCSF this little area here and protect the rest.

You think I am kidding, exaggerating? Make some phone calls, I dare ya! I dare ya to fight for our sport!

Safety in numbers....

Some of the questions/statements that many make, many on here:

I don't ride the trails, why would a pay?

The clubs have lots of members...

I don't have the time to volunteer...

I can't afford it...

The first two questions have already been beforehand answered. The last two I want to address. "I don't have time to volunteer". This may be the case for many of us, especially those working in the patch. You do NOT need to volunteer. Pay for your membership, ride. That simple. Of course volunteering would be an asset and greatly appreciated by those that currently volunteer but its the numbers that clubs need most. Without members...there is no club.

The last statement is one that I will never understand. "I can't afford it". Really, REALLY? The most you are going to pay is $75 for the year. That is a jug and a half of oil. Less than the boots on your feet. Less than the fuel for your sled over a weekend of riding. Less than the helmet on your head. Less than the suit you wear.....I can go on, I have made my point.

We will pay thousands and thousands of dollars to get into the sport but we won't fork out $75 dollars to enable us places to ENGAGE in the sport???

What's the point of having the sleds, the gear, if we have nowhere to use it?!

I ask a question.....

What if it was MANDATORY that with the purchase of a snowmobile, there was a fee of $75 that went to the BCSF, for every year you owned the sled? Would you still purchase the sled?

Pretty simple answer to that one eh?

We need to support our clubs. We as sledders HAVE to support our clubs.

If you ride the area, support it. These guys go to bat for us, the least we could do is have their back.

Safety in numbers....

Here is a link to the TR club, it doesn't get any easier to pay for a membership. Click on the link, pay. Simple. I am also attaching a link to the BCSF site where you can purchase memberships there as well.

http://www.trridgeriders.com/page-2

https://secure.capri.ca/snow/clubsignup/


Post up your support! Got my membership, do you?

I agree totally , i pay my membership to the Revey. club every year , instead of just paying a trail pass each time i go.
 
I feel your pain

I can relate to most of the problems you outlined in your post.

There are safety in numbers but I have to say when you join a snowmobile club you trade one form of control for another. 20 years ago I used to ride and area that required a 25km trail break if you wanted the good stuff. Once it got ridden on it was a tracked out back breaker. Now it is occasionally groomed, there are a lot more people, more rules and I have to pay $25per sled to ride it. WTF??? The worst part is the snowmobile club usually ends up having to make a deal with the devil anyways (The province of BC, Forest Service, Municipality of Whistler, RCMP, etc.)

The reason I started snowmobiling was to get away from this BS. The fact I spend $40 grand to participate in my sport and then get nickled and dimed every time I go riding is what really pisses me off!! What a joke!

I actually live in Washington State (East Seattle) now and I won't snowmobile around here because the ****ty future of snowmobiling your talking about is here. Rules, Rules, Rules, Fees, Fees, Fees, Permits, Tags, Licenses, etc. Just the thought of it gets me agitated.

I wish I had answers on what to do. Maybe we have to be more opportunistic/stealthy/confrontational/anarchistic

What I do now to cope is go farther away, looks for places to ride with no snowmobile clubs, yuppies (even though I am one), resorts, police.

I'm not much help but reading your post makes me worry about the future of back-country travel period.

I'll think of you when I carving a sweet turn this winter.
 
GREAT thread!

Look at how many people join the snowmobile clubs....as opposed to the nordic ski clubs....and you will have your answer as to why they win the land rights battles.
 
Every person who sleds, should be a member of a club in the area they normally ride. I and some friends (all from Alberta) buy memberships in the Blue River, B.C. club every year because that's where we do 90% of our riding. These clubs are fighting on our behalf. Do your part and buy a membership to support them !!


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Safety in numbers, ever hear this before?

Never has it been more important for OUR sport.

In the last month, I have been in a battle with BC Forestry in trying to keep my cabin from being burned. It is a permanent structure I built 4 years ago for snowmobiling. A place shared by many snowmobiler's who love to ride the area.

BC Forestry/caribou wildlife study group is demanding we vacate the area. The initial stages of a reserve are soon to follow.
The fight has come to an end. I will have to tear it down or face fines of up to $20,000 and possible jail time. I didn't play coward and deny it was mine, I took onus and fought for it, knowing the penalties that were at hand. But its what I learned during this fight that is even MORE vital than a wooden structure in the mountains.

BCSF SUPPORT. BC Snowmobile Federation has a FRACTION of the support that it should. A FRACTION. This isn't hearsay or some guy coming on the internet to rant about something....this is the real deal.

After trying to get aid from local clubs, I was floored of my findings. I am going to speak of a certain club but know that they are not ALONE and that MANY clubs can surely attest to the following.

The area of Tumbler/FSJ/GP is where I am discussing. An area MANY of the members on this site use for recreation. An area where last year they had a WHOPPING 25 members of their TR Ridge Riders snowmobile club. 25!

I, like many, have had excuses as to why not to join a club. I don't ride the trails. I ride in an area where its free roam.
Since I am a fairly new BC resident, I was unaware of what the BCSF did for the sport I love.

How wrong can one be? VERY wrong.

If it wasn't for the clubs in this region, we wouldn't have MANY of the area's we currently "free ride". It is due to these clubs battling off wildlife reserves and other land acts, that WE riders still have access to countless free ride area's. 25 members last year.
25 members in a community (TR) where more people own a sled or quad than those that do not. An area were HUNDREDS of people from surrounding communities ride. HUNDREDS, MANY on here, ride this awesome area. Yet 25 members are fighting for it. 25 people went to bat for hundreds.

Safety in numbers....

When forestry considers an area for a wildlife reserve they DO take considerations of the people. Although no one believes this, they do. When looked at by their people sitting at a desk in Vancouver, numbers is what they consider. Numbers are facts. The fact is, only 25 people (on paper) in the area use it for snowmobiling. 25! Hell, we can allocate one mountain and that should suffice!

Guess what? THAT IS EXACTLY what is happening. 25 people don't need a whole lot of space, lets give the BCSF this little area here and protect the rest.

You think I am kidding, exaggerating? Make some phone calls, I dare ya! I dare ya to fight for our sport!

Safety in numbers....

Some of the questions/statements that many make, many on here:

I don't ride the trails, why would a pay?

The clubs have lots of members...

I don't have the time to volunteer...

I can't afford it...

The first two questions have already been beforehand answered. The last two I want to address. "I don't have time to volunteer". This may be the case for many of us, especially those working in the patch. You do NOT need to volunteer. Pay for your membership, ride. That simple. Of course volunteering would be an asset and greatly appreciated by those that currently volunteer but its the numbers that clubs need most. Without members...there is no club.

The last statement is one that I will never understand. "I can't afford it". Really, REALLY? The most you are going to pay is $75 for the year. That is a jug and a half of oil. Less than the boots on your feet. Less than the fuel for your sled over a weekend of riding. Less than the helmet on your head. Less than the suit you wear.....I can go on, I have made my point.

We will pay thousands and thousands of dollars to get into the sport but we won't fork out $75 dollars to enable us places to ENGAGE in the sport???

What's the point of having the sleds, the gear, if we have nowhere to use it?!

I ask a question.....

What if it was MANDATORY that with the purchase of a snowmobile, there was a fee of $75 that went to the BCSF, for every year you owned the sled? Would you still purchase the sled?

Pretty simple answer to that one eh?

We need to support our clubs. We as sledders HAVE to support our clubs.

If you ride the area, support it. These guys go to bat for us, the least we could do is have their back.

Safety in numbers....

Here is a link to the TR club, it doesn't get any easier to pay for a membership. Click on the link, pay. Simple. I am also attaching a link to the BCSF site where you can purchase memberships there as well.

http://www.trridgeriders.com/page-2

https://secure.capri.ca/snow/clubsignup/


Post up your support! Got my membership, do you?
just a quick question . the meetings you had with the forest service ,were they about a unpermited cabin ,or actually about the caribou , in bc you can"t put up a cabin on crown land with out a commercial reason to be there, ,where ever you feel like it .no matter if it is a good idea or not. clubs can apply and get permits to build . been through this racket with the outfitting biz... in the same area you are talking about . when the ridge riders club first showed up , they decided that we needed permits to use the trail system through the core lodge valley ,for our horses . those trails have been used by ourselves and other hunters, outfitters, trappers long before TR was even on the map. so no i will not be buying a membership in TR.
 
just a quick question . the meetings you had with the forest service ,were they about a unpermited cabin ,or actually about the caribou , in bc you can"t put up a cabin on crown land with out a commercial reason to be there, ,where ever you feel like it .no matter if it is a good idea or not. clubs can apply and get permits to build . been through this racket with the outfitting biz... in the same area you are talking about . when the ridge riders club first showed up , they decided that we needed permits to use the trail system through the core lodge valley ,for our horses . those trails have been used by ourselves and other hunters, outfitters, trappers long before TR was even on the map. so no i will not be buying a membership in TR.



the meetings were about both. the cabins/trailers have been out there for much longer than i. some 15-20 years. the bc forestry has always just turned a blind eye. no one was making a big mess. caribou study group flies over 2 years ago...complains about the activity in the area, not once, twice. now forestry step in and issues trespassing notices to all.

their first priority, evict. second priority, protect.

this is no longer about my cabin. i have already lost that battle. its about sledding, the reason i buy a sled.

doesnt matter where you buy your permit as long as you buy one. it should be where you ride...you want to sled there, no?

there isnt any arguing here.....its a simple fact, we are losing more and more places to ride. without any voice, it will only continue.

either ya wanna ride or you dont....
 
the meetings were about both. the cabins/trailers have been out there for much longer than i. some 15-20 years. the bc forestry has always just turned a blind eye. no one was making a big mess. caribou study group flies over 2 years ago...complains about the activity in the area, not once, twice. now forestry step in and issues trespassing notices to all.

their first priority, evict. second priority, protect.

this is no longer about my cabin. i have already lost that battle. its about sledding, the reason i buy a sled.

doesnt matter where you buy your permit as long as you buy one. it should be where you ride...you want to sled there, no?

there isnt any arguing here.....its a simple fact, we are losing more and more places to ride. without any voice, it will only continue.

either ya wanna ride or you dont....

point taken , a interesting thought with the bcfs is the lack of consideration ,for industrial impact .. we all have to make a living, but blaming the woes of the mountain caribou all on snowmobilers is b.s . roman mtn.and east used to be one the main caribou habitats in the quintette mnt.range back in the 70s. kind of hard to just tell the caribou just move. we used to ride that area quite alot as well ,but that is closed for the ever expanding coal mine. the back meadows will be next ,those exploration trails all over there ,were not for our riding pleasure..
 
I agree, strength in numbers. There always seems to be this division amongst clubs when it comes to memberships and growth of the Clubs. It's no different with our Club here in Castlegar.

People complain about riding beat trails and too many people, but the more area we lose, the more people will be fighting for the same small bits of terrain. The only land that will be left for us to ride is well managed, highly regulated, and policed areas.

We're all fighting for the same thing, the freedom to ride. We need to stand together. The BCSF and ABC are there as a voice for sledders in BC. Please join :)
 
point taken , a interesting thought with the bcfs is the lack of consideration ,for industrial impact .. we all have to make a living, but blaming the woes of the mountain caribou all on snowmobilers is b.s . roman mtn.and east used to be one the main caribou habitats in the quintette mnt.range back in the 70s. kind of hard to just tell the caribou just move. we used to ride that area quite alot as well ,but that is closed for the ever expanding coal mine. the back meadows will be next ,those exploration trails all over there ,were not for our riding pleasure..



bang on, man! i too am for industry and work but at what cost? what is stopping the industries from sharing as well? they are not going to use every acre. but liability and what not comes in place. that is a whole other battle. right now we need sledders to pay up! do whats right and we will have a MUCH stronger voice. i cant stress this enough. buy now and we can save what we have. dont buy and your RISKING our riding area's. NO BULL****. its worse than ever.....and its goin to get tougher if we dont support our ONLY voice that is considered...
 
Revy Caribou

FYI

Just talk about the new closures near Revy, they close areas to sledders but for some reason if you have a helicopter its BUSINESS as usual with apparently no extra limitations (and now less sled tracks)

I have riden right by some of these caribou on a sled and they are somewhat indifferent and saunter off on there pace. I know there are concerns about sled tracks and preditation.

The gov't claims if there are less than 10 caribou then they are on there on everywhere else except in Keystone Standard Basin were there is reportedly only 7.


Hmmmmm!!!!!!


Membership is a must as they would have closed more without influence from BCSF and Revy Snowmobile Club
 
I can relate to most of the problems you outlined in your post.

There are safety in numbers but I have to say when you join a snowmobile club you trade one form of control for another. 20 years ago I used to ride and area that required a 25km trail break if you wanted the good stuff. Once it got ridden on it was a tracked out back breaker. Now it is occasionally groomed, there are a lot more people, more rules and I have to pay $25per sled to ride it. WTF??? The worst part is the snowmobile club usually ends up having to make a deal with the devil anyways (The province of BC, Forest Service, Municipality of Whistler, RCMP, etc.)

The reason I started snowmobiling was to get away from this BS. The fact I spend $40 grand to participate in my sport and then get nickled and dimed every time I go riding is what really pisses me off!! What a joke!

I actually live in Washington State (East Seattle) now and I won't snowmobile around here because the ****ty future of snowmobiling your talking about is here. Rules, Rules, Rules, Fees, Fees, Fees, Permits, Tags, Licenses, etc. Just the thought of it gets me agitated.

I wish I had answers on what to do. Maybe we have to be more opportunistic/stealthy/confrontational/anarchistic

What I do now to cope is go farther away, looks for places to ride with no snowmobile clubs, yuppies (even though I am one), resorts, police.

I'm not much help but reading your post makes me worry about the future of back-country travel period.

I'll think of you when I carving a sweet turn this winter.

Your not being proactive and living in the past is not the answer
 
I am dealing with the current situation what I am NOT doing is buying into the status quo which is the battle we are losing now.

According to Socrates, the original democratic thinker, only just laws are deemed worthy of compliance; otherwise, he said, the citizen has a duty to obey a higher authority. Disobedience of the law, he stated, is justified by appealing to the principle of necessity.

My best friend is a miner in Campbell River when his mine wants to do stuff (in Strathcona Park) they can't because the friends of Strathcona Park will NOT deal!! No matter what the law says.

I do not see any justified reason (your machine is not registered, you don't have insurance, your tags are expired, you didn't pay your club fees, the land is under heli-skiing tenure, etc.) we can't have unrestricted back country access. It should be a right. If there are laws against this we should break them, subvert them, undermine authority NOT try to play along. You're already losing!
 
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