So I am just on the way to get my monthly torture from a shiatsu specialist here in Seattle. Dude is a freaking master. Japanese American guy, served in Vietnam, tough as nails. Must be 60 something but looks late forties tops. Usually end up going in there all twisted up and broken and walk out right as rain. Hurts like a bastard, you can here people yelling in there sometimes. Shiatsu is all about getting your blood flowing. So many times I have gone in there thinking I have a sprain or pulled muscle or something that is going to take a month to heal and by the next day after I am 100%. I have a Chiro that is the same way. Rarely actually cracks my back or neck. Just kills a chicken or two, spreads the bones around the office and I leave there in great shape. I was referred to these guys who where pretty busted up and needed something the old cut and prescribe doctors couldn't give them. I have compression fractures in my back, 4 knee surgeries, degenerative disc and other neck problems, ankle and foot injuries(breaks and sprains), broken thumbs from skiing, disclocated shoulders and clavicle, numerous concussions and on and on. Without these two guys I wouldn't be sledding, skiing, hiking, working out everyday etc. So who do you see that is "alternative" and how does it work for you?
Do you believe in Witch Doctors?
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my dad has 3 crushed disks in his back and some other back ailments. He typically goes in once a month to the chiropractor to work on his neck/back and within 2 days is right as rain again. His back specialist doctor can't figure out how hes gone so long without having surgery on his back!
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EagleRiverDee
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"Witch Doctors" LOL
I see a Naturopath who is also a licensed acupuncturist on a monthly basis. 2 years ago I herniated a disc in my lower back. I was 100% disabled and on vicodin to control the pain. I hate taking meds and wanted my life back. I saw an article on the top 10 things acupuncture is most effective at treating, and back pain was number one. Within just a few sessions, my back pain was under control, I was off medication. My doc also found and began treating a thyroid condition. My back is probably 95% now (I still have to be careful about how I bend over and about heavy lifting) and I am healthier in every single aspect since I started seeing this doctor. I haven't sworn off regular western medicine, but in most instances I see my naturopath and not my old doctor. She's simply more effective, because she treats the root cause of what's wrong and doesn't just give me medicine to cover it up.
I see a Naturopath who is also a licensed acupuncturist on a monthly basis. 2 years ago I herniated a disc in my lower back. I was 100% disabled and on vicodin to control the pain. I hate taking meds and wanted my life back. I saw an article on the top 10 things acupuncture is most effective at treating, and back pain was number one. Within just a few sessions, my back pain was under control, I was off medication. My doc also found and began treating a thyroid condition. My back is probably 95% now (I still have to be careful about how I bend over and about heavy lifting) and I am healthier in every single aspect since I started seeing this doctor. I haven't sworn off regular western medicine, but in most instances I see my naturopath and not my old doctor. She's simply more effective, because she treats the root cause of what's wrong and doesn't just give me medicine to cover it up.
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LRD
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If you really want to get freaked out go see a really good Kinesiologist. Which is generally going to be a Chiropractor in my experience.
My first time I met one was about 40 years ago. He says put your arm up and brace it as hard as you can, then he puts his weight to it and its a wet noodle. Then he says put this vitamin capsule under your tongue and he retest the arm and it's made out of stone.
That's just the tip of the iceberg with it. My current Chiropractor reads my spine like a book with Kinesiology.
Good Luck
My first time I met one was about 40 years ago. He says put your arm up and brace it as hard as you can, then he puts his weight to it and its a wet noodle. Then he says put this vitamin capsule under your tongue and he retest the arm and it's made out of stone.
That's just the tip of the iceberg with it. My current Chiropractor reads my spine like a book with Kinesiology.
Good Luck
Kinesiologist. am pretty sure that is what my current Chiro is doing most of the time. Never really cracks my neck or back. Just uses that are for a strength testing then pokes and prods me, hold this, hold that. put your hand on the back of your head etc. Pretty amazing stuff. I totally agree about using western medicine too. If I have a broken bone or infection I am going to the hospital.
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aebsledder
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Depends
I would say that it probably depends on your ailment. I have really bad Tinnitus (ears ring 24/7) for which there is no cure. I read up a ton on eastern medicine, naturopaths, chiropractors, acupuncture, etc. I found a practice in Chicago that has people who specialize in all of the above. After a solid 2 hours of acupuncture and some Chiropractic "adjusting" I walked out of there with a sore neck, back, right shoulder, and hip. I felt like I was mauled by a grizzly bear. And...my ears were still ringing loud as ever. This was after a specific "tinnitus" adjustment. Honestly, I wasn't really expecting much, but I did go in there with an open mind. On another note, I have gotten a professional deep tissue massage before. That helped some sore muscles out for sure.
I would say that it probably depends on your ailment. I have really bad Tinnitus (ears ring 24/7) for which there is no cure. I read up a ton on eastern medicine, naturopaths, chiropractors, acupuncture, etc. I found a practice in Chicago that has people who specialize in all of the above. After a solid 2 hours of acupuncture and some Chiropractic "adjusting" I walked out of there with a sore neck, back, right shoulder, and hip. I felt like I was mauled by a grizzly bear. And...my ears were still ringing loud as ever. This was after a specific "tinnitus" adjustment. Honestly, I wasn't really expecting much, but I did go in there with an open mind. On another note, I have gotten a professional deep tissue massage before. That helped some sore muscles out for sure.
devils lettuce....a burning miracle wrapped in a paper
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bikerjustin
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Witch Doctor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qiJPZ0Rruc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qiJPZ0Rruc
I use the ortman clinic in sd long drive but worth every mile go 3 to 4 times year even if I feel good still go for tune up. Check out their technique it worked for me when others failed. Normal doc wanted to replace my shoulder that was three years ago. I am close to 100% movement and strength in it my doc said that there is no way I should able to use it. Use whatever works for you, life is to short not to play hard and have fun. If your not living on the edge your taking up to much space here.
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shmuckaluck
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Hey guys,
I think your brain is the strongest part of that healing, like a placebo effect.
I think your brain is the strongest part of that healing, like a placebo effect.
not really. Chiropractors can do some amazing things because they know EXACTLY where things are and how they work and where they SHOULD BE. That said, they also know how much pressure to apply and where to apply it to move said muscle and or bone to put it back in line. I think a chiropractor is to a back what a orthodontist is to teeth. You wouldn't go to a dentist to get your teeth shifted into proper positions would you? No, because doctors aren't typically hands on(dentists are, but not for moving teeth). They have lots of knowledge, and are excellent at diagnosing, however they lack the knowledge of applied physics.
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LRD
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Bear in mind that not all chiropractors are created equal and starting to
think the younger (newly educated) get more classes on how to pad a bill
with some whiz bang gimmicks than they do on actually working on you.
Getting tougher to find good ones, went through three already in a new area
we moved to and finally just gave up and drive the 70 miles back down to St. Paul
to my good old guy when I really need some fixin!!
Good Luck
think the younger (newly educated) get more classes on how to pad a bill
with some whiz bang gimmicks than they do on actually working on you.
Getting tougher to find good ones, went through three already in a new area
we moved to and finally just gave up and drive the 70 miles back down to St. Paul
to my good old guy when I really need some fixin!!
Good Luck
Witchdoctors....of course..
Lucifer gives some mortals gifts of healing to keep the recipients blind
All with Gods permission of course..
Lucifer gives some mortals gifts of healing to keep the recipients blind
All with Gods permission of course..
LRD you are right on. Most of the young ones have a one size fits all approach with little lasting affect. Had to burn through a several over the years. Have found 3 in 30 years that are masters. Hence the name witchdoctor. M8, don't know where to start. Did you even read the post. Has nothing to do with your narrow minded interpretation of God. Doesn't the book you read say something about judging others or do you just cherry pick the parts that make you feel superior? But come to think of it there was this cool design scratched into the floor or my chiro's office. Kind of a star thing in a circle... and why does he hang all the crosses upside down? lol.
crosses upside down in your chiro's office...??..hmmm...hope ya get a discount
nope i didn;t read the post..so my last post must have seemed personel when it wasn;t and wouldn;t have been if i had read the post...i just responded to the question on the heading..and yep to answer the question again..i believe in witchdoctors..and why was explained...no judging..it was me being judged..anyway not relevent to the topic
we have a 75 year old gal in these parts thats a chiro and physio..people travel from all over to see her..she is awesome...we also have natives that cure everything..even cancer with swamp roots ...and blood cancers with dandelions..
but your injuries are something...for my bones and such i load up on glucosimine with condrotin and herbs with it and as well drink "living clay from a tribe in New Mexico..
earthing mats as well..and timbersled suspensions on my sled..and of course the most important is the Blessing daily..
nope i didn;t read the post..so my last post must have seemed personel when it wasn;t and wouldn;t have been if i had read the post...i just responded to the question on the heading..and yep to answer the question again..i believe in witchdoctors..and why was explained...no judging..it was me being judged..anyway not relevent to the topic
we have a 75 year old gal in these parts thats a chiro and physio..people travel from all over to see her..she is awesome...we also have natives that cure everything..even cancer with swamp roots ...and blood cancers with dandelions..
but your injuries are something...for my bones and such i load up on glucosimine with condrotin and herbs with it and as well drink "living clay from a tribe in New Mexico..
earthing mats as well..and timbersled suspensions on my sled..and of course the most important is the Blessing daily..
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