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Do we really need a new chassis every 3-4 years?

Liveing in the past???

Prices are just outta control, think about it , in 03 we bought a 02 800 and a 03 700 brand new for 12 K. Not that long ago. Still rideing the 02 and will be for some time, gets me where I like to go. The wife bought her self a 06 800 144 so I will try it also and see whats up with this rider forward stuff. Liveing in the past....maybe. Dino
 
I buy a new sled every year.

if there is something better, i want to ride it. I must be selfish.
 
if you look at the sports bike industry, you can draw a lot of parallels. At some point, the bike rider is the limiting factor, not the bike. IMO, we are fast approaching that state.

The machines are pretty light and there is an ergonomics that is near perfect for every rider. The stock power can get us into more trouble than we need.

They can all pretty much do what we need from them.


I guess I must be pretty demanding. As far as climbing and boondocking are concerned (jumping is a different deal) the sled is always my limiting factor. Sled technology definately isn't to the point like it is with sport bikes such that the bikes are far superior to most riders. I just don't know if the manufacturers will have the financial incentive to advance technology when sales drop every year.
 
Well sportbikes are a much larger market and if sleds had the same racing market and R&D that bikes had we would have some incredible stuff out. Now that I see the price of sleds these days spending 11 grand on a sportbike sure gets you twice the technology a sled has.

I would rather see the motors, clutches, power etc redesigned than the chassis so often. I just can't get myself to buy a new sled, even with a new chassis redesign because I know I would lose my A$$ on it after the first ride and it would still need mods for me to be happy with it. I would however buy a new sled if it was truly revolutional like a 4 stroke with some big power and weighing less than what is out now for 2 stroke.

By the way hats off to the aftermarket sled companies for really helping to progress the sleds. Everyone knows the sled manufacturers often copy the concepts of the aftermarket. Just look at the skids in the new M series and some of the aftermarket ones that have been out for a couple of years.
 
I Think we will have a new chasis every 3-4 years becuase alot of people just want to keep up with the jones's. I would love to see brp dial the xp in so it is a hot running sled right out of the dealership. They have the chasis now work on the clutch problems they have.
I would love to see Yamaha come out with a 4stroker that has a turbo on it out of the box. I think I would spend a little xtra for that.
I think we have the chasis' now I would love to see the oem's really suprise us in other aspects.
 
Wake up call!

Can you imagine if your new water cooled dirt bike needed radiators because the factory figured the coolant within the cylinder was enough at start up.
Does it mater if the ABS on your Goldwing was perfected before you head down a mountain pass towing a trailer.
Nissan has a CVT in the Altima now, do you think they will rely on the housewife driving it to change a blown belt. NO, they built and tested till they trusted it.

Snowmobile tech is in the hands of five manufacturers compared to over one hundred, 30 years ago. They are so busy buying magazine articles, shootouts, and websites, they don’t have time or care to worry about the many loyal customers they are turning away to some other form of motor sports.
At the same time ignoring the future market, children!

Belt, clutch, engine, track, and structural failures are more common today than fouled spark plugs.

These Baby Boomer engineers reliving their 70’s high school hotrod days are putting together and selling unproven machines whom their predessesors would have left in the R and D department for future testing.

You forty-fifty somethings accept these POS’s because most of you buy new for your image, if you were such bad *** riders there would not be anything left of the machines the teens and twenty somethings are inheriting from you. Check the odometer and you will see most of you didn’t even log a thousand miles

Just like an old Honda XR200, you can pull a 1982 Yamaha/John Deere/Scorpion/etc, 340 snowmobile out from the dust, tinker a little, clean the carb, change the plugs, and ride it all day on the twenty year old belt last installed.

The future used market for today’s big displacement obese, unreliable machines will only be in the recycled materials.

I bought into the Snow hawk idea back in 2001 because it made sense, less power, less weight, same performance, if not more.

The people whom think I am just trying to sell something are dead wrong.
The more time I spend with it the more people around me see the light.

It sickened me to see these bought and sold magazines write small articles suggesting how much longer this machine would survive. They should have been praising its idea and suggesting the larger manufacturers take it up. Of course that would have meant the writers/not riders would have actually had to learn how to ride one in order to give the readers a real review.

Since I am still young enough, and have not many responcibilities, this issue pushed me to change my career and go after something I believed in.
2006 I quit my job and rode my motorcycle from Seattle to Quebec to try to convince AD Boivin to let me rekindle the fire.

Even they have started to believe the more power equals more interest theory.
That is true for some but not all I insisted.
The same issues, price, power, and reliability are starting to plague the Snow Hawk, and I want to take a few steps back.
The only way I will prove them wrong is with demand.

It should be obvious to most of you that I and others have created the interest, and increased the demand. Not to many used/new machines around anymore that are not in clenched hands.

The limited effort I am willing to putt towards this needs to increase and I think those of you current owners, believing dealers, and future wanters should pipe up and speak your minds.

There are about 1,500 of these machines out in this world and a hand full for sale, you one thousand plus need to get off your *** and yell your head off.

If you don’t your kids will be dumbed down with a legacy of the backwards tech created by a bunch of worn out Boomers long since moved away to places like Arizona, and Florida shuffling around their Corvette’s and Harley’s.

You wouldn’t give them a fifty cal. If there were no more BB guns, so why is their next sled from the already to big 500cc Phazer, going to be a 1000cc NITRO!


Tony Sexton

:D
 
^^^ decafe my man....no no snowhawk makes a really good point. There's just too much coming out too quick. The quality control has definetaly degraded in the past 5 years. However I have to dissagree with you about the R&D theory. I believe they got these guys working around the clock and the XP wasn't just designed over night. I'm willing to bet they started designing the XP right after theyunleashed the REV.
 
Hmmmmmm..I Havent seen too many videos of Snowhawks pulling any big shutes lately.......Let me rephrase that, I Haven't seen ANY videos of SnowHawks pulling any big shutes.
 
snowhawkaddict,

if you are going to spam threads on here, you might want to include some pictures of naked women or something. Maybe that will actually make your posts worthwhile.


oh, and we do need a new chassis every couple of years. There is a lot of technology out there that has yet to be incorporated into snowmobiles. The industry needs to play catch up with the other recreation markets as chassis design hasn't really been a concern until the rev came out.

Look at quads, one of the best chassis for quads is the honda 250r and it was made in the 80's. Sleds have a ways to go, and it will be a fun ride getting there.
 
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A thing to remember is most chassis changes derive from the race side of the industry. That is where a majority of the testing is done, you may not see the change for a couple years but it eventually happens. Take a look at the sleds today and compare them to the race sleds a few years back. The chassis is the same. "What wins on Sunday sells on Monday"of course not that fast. Technology has came a long ways from even 5 years ago, the cost of it all sucks but hey what are you gonna do with your cash anyway???
Buy cross country skis???:eek: Hope not !!:beer;
 
Pirate Arggggggggggg

:DTurtlehead
Hmmmmmm..I Havent seen too many videos of Snowhawks pulling any big shutes lately.......Let me rephrase that, I Haven't seen ANY videos of SnowHawks pulling any big shutes.
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2004 800 Summit X 144 Maybe for sale :confused:
2007 800 Summit XRS 151 Maybe for sale :confused:
2008 800 Summit XP X 154 (MIA) :mad:
2008 800 Everest 146 (MIA) :mad:

You must putt a lot of hours on those Summits pulling all those shutes, how many top ends?
Of course you are a prime example of my rant, angrily awaiting those new Ski-Doo's they say are soooooooo good, because the old worn out ones are falling apart underneath you. If your that bad *** send your resume to them, and you'll be testing prototypes so us mere mortals never have to experience these reliability problems any more!

Buyers beware of that 04, and 07, I think I'm talking to Seth Enslo!

snowhawkaddict,

if you are going to spam threads on here, you might want to include some pictures of naked women or something. Maybe that will actually make your posts worthwhile.

oh, and we do need a new chassis every couple of years. There is a lot of technology out there that has yet to be incorporated into snowmobiles. The industry needs to play catch up with the other recreation markets as chassis design hasn't really been a concern until the rev came out.

Look at quads, one of the best chassis for quads is the honda 250r and it was made in the 80's. Sleds have a ways to go, and it will be a fun ride getting there.

Why women when I'm so into my self?

Like Monty said his Edge Polaris is pretty damn good, the comon sence owner has no reasonable reason to replace one of those machines such as "Schuter" McCavin Seth!
I would have owned Monty's sled had my feet fit in those foot wells, isn't a single place that Rev can go the Edge can't.

That being said, at twenty six years old you had to be four or five when you got that 250R, awfull powerfull training wheels don't you think?
LT80, or TRX125 wasn't enough?

Mommy was afraid her baby would scratch his pretty face falling when dad, or uncle offered the PW50, and the Z50 huh?

I love it when you couch guys refrence quads, it's a dead givaway for your ignorance towards my statement/spam. That 250R, the Quad racer, and the Banshee were ahead of their time, you can still buy the Honda new from Service Honda in IN, and the new four strokes are more about making money from expensive top end parts than tech!

Even the current Schucks crap Chinese quads are required to have a age requirement label, every lazy parent ignores it intill they are standing in front of congress proclaiming that not one more child should be harmed by these machines!

Motorcycles, and Snow Hawks should never need these warnings, if you can't ride one, you can't ride one!

Barry Hawk could though, and he started out just like you Ruffy!
 
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ROFLMAO!! There is not one problem with any of my sleds , no top ends ....Nothing. I keep em clean and maintained and they always run great. I don't have to sell them, and probably won't, I usually keep em for friends, I buy new ones because I can, not because I have too. (Yes It's Good to be me)

Assnowhawk for snowhawk yoursnowhawk endless snowhawk meaningless snowhawk rants snowhawk about snowhawk absolutely snowhawk nothing snowhawk that snowhawk even snowhawk you snowhawk don't snowhawk care snowhawk about snowhawk. and i quote you from another thread:
("You know me, if something could get us more places than the Hawk, myself and forty+ other guys would jump ship in a heartbeat!") Which has pretty much discredited anything you have said in the past and future. As I said before ROFLMAO!!

See ya on the hill.........Well...... probably not on the hill, but maybe in the parking lot when I get back from riding.


Do you know what a Snowhawk and a fat chick have in common?..........They're probably both fun to ride, you just don't want your friends to catch you on one!!
 
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(Quote from Snowhawkaddict:)
"You must putt a lot of hours on those Summits pulling all those shutes, how many top ends?
Of course you are a prime example of my rant, angrily awaiting those new Ski-Doo's they say are soooooooo good, because the old worn out ones are falling apart underneath you. If your that bad *** send your resume to them, and you'll be testing prototypes so us mere mortals never have to experience these reliability problems any more!"

Just curious as to why you are sooo concerned as to what other people are riding and what condition their sleds are in, and what they are spending their $$$ on. I'm pretty sure no one on this forum is sleeping with you, or has any plans of doing so. So get to the point. Your entertainment value is wearing out.

BTW, I did get race sleds from SkiDoo when I use to race, I had 91 and a 92 Mach1X, very limited production.
And I'm not angrily awaiting anything, My sled will be in when I get there to ride.

P.S. I still don't care what you ride!
 
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I used to work for one of the big american two and let me tell you...remember in the 90's and for years we only had color changes and that drove people to the dealer ships. Very few changes only color and minor upgrades. I agree keep the chasis longer and improve other conponents.

Also consumers are more fickle now a days one bad experience and they jump ship, you have to have the latest and greatest to keep sales up. Also not only do you have a President of the company to please but they also sell stock and that brings a whole new set of bosses to make happy. Are decisions made to sell on the ticket taper...you bet.

Damage control...
 
switch to hawk 'cause I was looking for something different!!! don't get me wrong, I love the sport of snowmobiling and have been riding for 20+ years, just got tired of doing the same old thing every time i went out!!!

I'm not here to say that one is any better then the other, just different!!!!!

Can't take a four wheeler places you can go with a dirt bike right?????? same thing goes with a sled vs. a hawk. No they don't go straight up but, trust me, I've led a few sleds into place they had to wait till spring to get out!

BTW, Snowhawk addict loves to screw with you guys, just can't belive you still fall for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Pirate Argggggggggggg

Your entertainment value is wearing out.

BTW, I did get race sleds from SkiDoo when I use to race, I had 91 and a 92 Mach1X, very limited production.
And I'm not angrily awaiting anything, My sled will be in when I get there to ride.

P.S. I still don't care what you ride![/quote]

So, you have three BBW's, do they all ride with you at the same time, or seperatly so they don't have to share you?

I am sure we are quite entertaining, you've probably just had enough, and you sound tired, so you should go to bed young man!

Too bad you took the 04, and 07 off the market because of me, I was considering using them for backup SNOW HAWK engines, for after five years, I am still not ready to change chassis.

Post pics if you reconsider please.

Tony:D
 
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