Cutler or Twisted
- Thread starter Going West
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Whats the difference if I dump oil into an oil tank or the gas tank?? It is pretty hard, I must tell you!!
And mixing gets rid or the over oiling that most cat guys experiance.
premix or injection - eh 6 one way half dozen the other....
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Going West
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Has any one rode both a pump 10 and a pump 8 Iv heard that the 10's have a small amount of lag that can't be gotten ride of. And it would be nice to keep the oil injection, not that its hard to measure some oil but it is a lot more convenient
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mtn_extreme
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The oil injection is another issue to go wrong and burn down. If an oil pump goes out or a line comes loose ect.
Freak - picture of the twisted charge tube.
Freak - picture of the twisted charge tube.
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Couple more questions, how much does Shain charge to do the install and what kind of time frame are we looking at??? Is that something he normally does during the summer or does he do mid-season installs?? And if so, how long is his waiting list and how long does the install typically take him?? (i guess i could call him but i dont want to get off my butt to go get the phone while im at work)
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bigbull
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I have been reading this for quite some time and keeping my mouth shut. Have to chime in now. First, the shortest most efficient (easy radius turns, smooth welds, excellent airbox, and all connections and hoses to be top quality including a clamp assembly on the pipe to Y pipe connection) charge tube and turbo dump help to eliminate lag and inefficient means of getting fuel into the burn chamber. It is common sense along with simple physics. 
This also applies to BOV and any other components as well like boost controls etc.
Now for premix debate: No automatic injection is as reliable and efficient as premixing. I personally had an oil injection pump arm melt on a TM8 last year. BTW, how do you adjust for a range of oil/fuel mix that doesn't exist from the factory? I.E. the pump and rod are designed to run a little extra HP from an idle on up to WOT, but never at WOT with 80-120 extra HP. So at that level how do you compensate for all the extra fuel burning and not adding extra oil to keep the ratio the same? You cant, so you run premix.
And as for a big block with porting, pipes, cans, etc. running with a turbo sled........not going to happen in all conditions. Sure on a flat lake or field they might be close. But them under a heavy load (steep and deep) at elevation and then prove to yourself which sled does what. No comparison.
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This also applies to BOV and any other components as well like boost controls etc.Now for premix debate: No automatic injection is as reliable and efficient as premixing. I personally had an oil injection pump arm melt on a TM8 last year. BTW, how do you adjust for a range of oil/fuel mix that doesn't exist from the factory? I.E. the pump and rod are designed to run a little extra HP from an idle on up to WOT, but never at WOT with 80-120 extra HP. So at that level how do you compensate for all the extra fuel burning and not adding extra oil to keep the ratio the same? You cant, so you run premix.
And as for a big block with porting, pipes, cans, etc. running with a turbo sled........not going to happen in all conditions. Sure on a flat lake or field they might be close. But them under a heavy load (steep and deep) at elevation and then prove to yourself which sled does what. No comparison.
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mtn_extreme
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I think he charges 1000.00 for an install and he can do it easily in 48 hrs (usually 24). He is fairly caught up right now and would probably be able to get right to it.
Just so people know, the Twisted Turbo kit uses the oil injection pump as the pump to lube the turbo. It is simple and adds a lot less strain to the electronics system. No need to run the DC converter crap on the '09 for additional power. It is definately the simplest kit out with much less that can go wrong.
That being said, the Cutler TM8 kit is very clean. I have not seen any of the other kits on the snow with the exception of a Boondocker TM8 that needs some massaging, definately did not live up to the name (BOONDOCKER). And before anyone jumps down my throat, the Boondocker kit is a year or two old, not this years kit.
That being said, the Cutler TM8 kit is very clean. I have not seen any of the other kits on the snow with the exception of a Boondocker TM8 that needs some massaging, definately did not live up to the name (BOONDOCKER). And before anyone jumps down my throat, the Boondocker kit is a year or two old, not this years kit.
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Anybody got a number for Shain, i think ill be giving him a call. Thanks
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Pure Logic Tuning
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I would be careful of side mounted charge tubes it was proven to cause problems back when Brad Story designed the kit that twisted is running. Brad quit using the oil injection pump to oil the turbo for a reason and the side mounted air box for a reason you may want to talk with Brad and he can explain what the problems will be in the long run because he is the one that tested these items.
perfect!! Thanks again
Huh... funny you should say that since the life of your turbo depends on that same pump now, only its being used for something other than what it was designed for so will that affect reliability????? the oil injection thing is not an issue either way imo. Also any CPC turbo user is free to simply pour oil into there tank and as rec'd by CPC should do so at a rate of 100:1.
The charge tube that shain uses is larger in diameter than the CPC so my guess is that the volume, to fill with pressure, would be similiar, because when dealing with circumferences a little larger provides gobbs more volume.
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It was only a matter of time!!
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Pure Logic Tuning
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Well said Freak the injection pumps we not designed to feed turbo chargers and it also caused many problems with the turbo when Brad tested it. If the injection pump gets any kind of air bubble from laying the sled on its side or a roll over it will air lock the pump and the pump is not self priming. OVS and I am sure CPC knows that on the 09 models have to have the voltage regulator upgrade or it is just a matter of time until the ecu is corrupted from low voltage. This has nothing to do with running the electric oil pump the oil pump on the OVS kits are not using any of the DC power that the sled uses to operate it's ecu functions. The regulator upgrade must be done because of the larger fuel pumps and increased fuel pressure will drop the voltage below 12v and damage the ecu and also on long pulls the pump will run short on voltage and the sled can deto because the pump is starving for power and as you go up the hill the fuel pressure will drop off. OVS ran a test sled with no regulator upgrade with the headlights and handwarmers unplugged and the sled mad it 312 miles before it corrupted the ecu. If the turbo sizing is correct 3 inches more or less charge turbe will not even be noticed.
I dont want anyone to think I dislike the twisted kit, I only know what ive read and heard and I know they are fast. As with anything there are pros and cons to anyones kits. I would run either one on my sled. But the CPC worked out best for me so thats the one I went with.
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