Considering yamaha

[chunkysoup]

I have just about had it with 2 smokes and their problems. Ive been considering getting an Apex. I have ridden the Nytros and dont like how sketchy they are. I see they dont have much for a crossover sled. 136 is too short 162 is maybe too long??? I was hoping for a 153. Has anyone ever trail ridden a 162 apex? overheating problems? Anything I should know before I take the leap? I saw they make a 144 now but they are out of my price range. I appreciate any info you guys can give me.

 

[paulharris]

if you will be doing any mountain riding the nytro is a better chassis without a doubt. not sure what you mean by "sketchy" but if its the skis you can obviously change those. if you will be doing mostly trail riding then apex would be good but i wouldn't expect to be throwing it around in the powder (sure, some guys can)

 

[chunkysoup]

from my perspective by sketchy i meant that they have a poor stearing post angle and with how rider forward they are they have so much weight over the skis that they are darty. Ive only ridden a couple but it was the same issue everytime. I do roughly 50/50 trails and powder. Im thinking about maybe buying a 121 or 136 apex and extending it to 144. I know then it wouldnt have any cooling issues. Is there anything in particular to look at closely when buying one? Im really looking for a more reliable sled. Im sick of wrenching every ride. Thanks

 

[Calvin42]

I'd go with the XTX 1.75. Good balance between on and off trail and with the current rebates that came out today, that makes them more affordable.

 

[tmk50]

from my perspective by sketchy i meant that they have a poor stearing post angle and with how rider forward they are they have so much weight over the skis that they are darty. Ive only ridden a couple but it was the same issue everytime. I do roughly 50/50 trails and powder. Im thinking about maybe buying a 121 or 136 apex and extending it to 144. I know then it wouldnt have any cooling issues. Is there anything in particular to look at closely when buying one? Im really looking for a more reliable sled. Im sick of wrenching every ride. Thanks

See if you can demo ride a Nytro that has a steering relocator (OFT or similar) that moves the post forward a few degrees and a set of "+" a-arms (Skinz, Z-bros) that move the spindles forward a few inches similar to a Pro RMK.

The Apex handles great in a couple feet of fluff, but is more tiresome to ride when the snow firms up (stock Nytro is pretty much the same story). My Nytro with the relocator and Skinz a-arms has worked very well for me so far.

 

[chunkysoup]

I would love to buy new but that is out of the question. One of the nytros i did ride had the relocator for the steering but it still didnt feel right, probably because ive ridden polaris's all my life. i havent ridden one with the forward spindles. I was hoping to buy a sled and just ride. dont really want to have to put a lot of money into anything. thanks for all the input. is there anything i should specifically look at when buying yamahas?

 

[tmk50]

is there anything i should specifically look at when buying yamahas?

Other than the normal wear/tear on a used sled there are a few differences and things to look at that changed over the years (subframes on early nytros, revised front end geometry that they came out with over the first few years, huge changes to the MTX in 2010, etc.)

The best thing to do would be to post up the info on sleds you are considering and get feedback. The forums over @ Totallyamaha.com are a good resource as well.

 

[judger101]

i rode polaris all my life prior to buying my nytro. if you want my personal opinion if you dont want to do mods to make it worth while id buy an apex over a nytro. once set up a nytro is great, but you need things like posted above to make it a good ride.

 

[clatla]

Your original post said you wanted a 153". The Nytro is available in a 153" tipped rail. I don't ride trails much but when the wife rides I have to. I think its pretty good on the trail for a mtn sled. I installed the Concept front-end and am looking forward to seeing how much nicer it is.

There are a lot of used Nytro's out there. Many of them have all or most of the upgrades already done to them. If I didn't have mine I would have jumped on a bunch that were a smoking deal for the parts already installed.

Once you put some miles on a Yami you will never look back at the Poo. Oh ya leave your wrench's at home.

 

[pelon]

I ride a 162 apex for work and a 174 T-Nytro for pleasure and I previously owned a 174 T-apex. If I had to choose, I would go with the Nytro. It took a little (only a little) getting use to the nytro at first, but I now would not go back. Both have pros and cons but I think the apex chassis is just to outdated. I rode the work apex today in the mountains and every moment I wish I had a nytro.

As for things to consider:
1) The nytro tends to get hot and sometimes overheat, but I have never overheated an apex. If you buy either, put ice scratchers on and good hyfaxes. Vents are a good choice for the nytro and possibly an upgraded cooler if you trail ride more than not.

2)The apex a-arms and spindle housings are very weak and they "will bend" if they take a moderate hit from a stump or rock. I replaced or fixed 3 arms and 3 spindle housings in 5 years. However the nytro front end has pissed some riders off also, but not me yet.

3) The 162 apex is just about 700lbs wet and the 162 nytro is ???? I forget, but it's lighter.

4) Choice of motors----apex!

5) Choice of 162 stock suspensions----nytro se

6) Maintenance/repair choice---nytro

5) Track length--shoot I think 162 is too short!

hope that helps

good luck

 

[Sledneck22]

I have an Apex MTX. I got such a great deal on it from a dealer left over I couldn't pass it up. I originally bought it and turned it into a crossover.
I cut the track down to 1.75, installed ice scratchers, and a few other things. I was able to ride with all my buddies at the time on their short track/xtx apexs and nytros. I had no problems keeping up or overheating as long as I used my scratchers.
I actually found the mtx skid much more comfortable to ride as it bridged bumps and soaked up everything better than my previous short track apex. I think it had a lot to do with dispersing my weight a little better over the length of the skid.
One thing I wish I did though was to buy another set of a-arms with the wider stance for trail riding. The narrow stance on the apex mtx took some getting used to but now I am very comfortable with it because I know how to set up the suspension on it for trail riding.
I have since made my own custom rear mount turbo and have been running that limitedly this year since snow in my area is thin. So far I'm really happy I installed boost.
The thing with an apex and or nytro is getting them set up correctly for the start to your riding styles. After that you don't have to worry about a pto bearing or a grenade going off in the motor.
Let me know if you have any other questions with the MTX as a crossover.
-Kyle