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Colorado selling major roads off

milehighassassin

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Not sure how true this is, but it sounds illegal as hell to me. Thought I would share it anyway:



Some details:
https://friendsofthecoloradopuc.wor...12-2014-day-before-senate-briefing-by-cdot-2/

Nine Colorado public highways being sold to foreign toll road firms over the next 12 months starting with US 36.
I-70 in downtown Denver/mountains, C-470 and I-25 from Denver to Ft. Collins are all being privatized and tolled.
Round trip from Denver to Boulder will cost up to $28 in the express lane during rush hour. Toll cost is indexed to inflation and will rise much higher over the next half century.
The amount of profit Goldman Sachs and Plenary will make from US 36 is a CDOT secret that is being kept from the Colorado taxpayers and elected officials.
The expensive toll lane addition will mean highly congested free lanes. It will become illegal for the state of Colorado to add additional free lanes to US 36 without compensating the toll operator for 50 years of decreased toll revenue.
Colorado elected officials are not being allowed to review the secret 50 year contract terms before the state privatization board, the HPTE, signs the contract.
CDOT is lying to the public and elected officials. CDOT claimed Jan 23 in the Denver Post that the 50 year legally binding US 36 contract can be amended at anytime. This is a lie.If the US 36 contract is changed or the toll lane removed, Colorado will be legally obligated to pay Goldman Sachs and Australian shareholders 50 years of toll revenue- a cost to taxpayers of hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.
If an emergency closes Highway 36 for more than 12 hours in a year, taxpayers will be required to compensate the toll road operator until the highway is reopened. In the southern US, toll roads force the state governments to pay tolls during hurricane evacuations.
Wages of CDOT snow plow drivers and highway workers will be slashed by as much as half, with benefits and pensions likely eliminated to increase Goldman Sachs and shareholder profits.
Like a scene from the Hunger Games, the private toll road operator and the state privatization board can order CDOT to take action against Colorado citizens protesting tolls.
It will be illegal for surrounding communities to upgrade roads or transit systems around US 36 in any way that reduces tolls for Goldman Sachs and the Australian toll road developer, Plenary Group unless Colorado pays 50 years of toll compensation.
To boost toll revenues, HOV cars with a driver plus passenger will soon have to pay tolls to use the US 36 or I-25 express lanes.
Senator Matt Jones and 14 Colorado elected lawmakers including Senate President Morgan Carroll have signed a letter requesting a 60 day hold on the US 36 privatization contract. CDOT has rejected the Senators’ request and is racing to sign the 50 year contract before public outrage can stop the deal.
 
Government doesn't have the cash for a new road and the people don't want to have an increase in taxes...partner with a private company that will front the money for constructing the new road in return they get the toll revenue.

In theory it doesn't sound like a bad plan...

Can't find any creditable/well known? news sources reporting on it, only the ones stating that it will cost $28 from Denver to Boulder. Which I know won't be true...(at least for the first 40 years.......)

Need some more info... anyone have anything?


I would gladly agree to them selling i70 to a company that has the cash to put in 2 extra lanes and a movable barrier. If you want a smaller government its a start...
 
It's not illegal - public/private partnerships happen all the time, generally when a government entity is unable to raise the cash it needs to fund something. Unfortunately our state like many others is woefully short of funds, basically in two major areas, education and transportation. And since we have the wonderful tabor amendment anything that might resemble a tax increase has to be voted on. You saw what happened with the education initiative last fall. Polling suggests that a tax increase for fixing our transportation problems has even less likelihood of passing. With cars getting better gas mileage and the increase of non-taxed vehicles (electric and natural gas) the gas tax that is the major source of funding for our roads is not keeping pace. We have something like a $1 billion backlog of necessary infrastructure needs right now.

So, yeah expect to see more toll roads unless and until the state can find a different way to raise the funds to add infrastructure.

By the way that article has a lot of half truths and falsehoods in it.
Plenary Group is real though and the idea of them doing a public/private partnership to increase the number of lanes on certain roadways is real too. What's not real as far as I know is that any roads will be sold. New lanes will be built and they will be toll lanes just like east C470 already is and was from the time it was built.
 
Anybody here been to Chicago lately? Toll roads EVERYWHERE and the roads look like a third world country. Want to see what this is going to be you have a model to see what it is going to be. The toll company collects revenue and lets the roads go to crap.
 
They haven't raised the gas tax in about 25 years, if they would maybe this toll road wouldn't be needed. I'd rather see gas tax upped than toll roads, if I don't like the price of gas I can get a better mpg vehicle, can't always get around a toll
 
Legalizing weed is not solving all of the state's problems?


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Legalizing weed is not solving all of the state's problems?


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Give it time, they are taking in millions in reenue everyday from weed sales. The cars in the parking lots of the weed stores are almost all from out of state.


I wonder how much they want for Hwy 550? It would be worth any price just to close that road to the idiotic bicyclists. I would rent it out for road racing events too!

So why aren't Amercian interests involved? Is it because our regulations make doing business here more expensive? That is a bad policy in a depressed economy.

I also want to know how the state can SELL something they didn't BUY. We the taxpayers pay for the roads, the damn government doesn't do us ANY favors when building and maintaing roads. We all know it could be done much more effieciently. How can they sell roads that the people own? Who do these politicians think they are?

Keep the roads, do the same thing the privateers are doing. Cut CDOT wages and number of personel. There are way too many guys standing around in high vis jackets and gators these days. Way too many new CDOT buildings going up, way too much new equipment being bought. This is a simple problem that no politician seems able to solve. Quit spending money, tighten the belt. Those of us funding this crap are mad that you clowns have screwed this up to the point of seeing our roads sold to foriegn concerns.
 
The whole situation is frustrating because it should never get to this point in the first place. I hate the idea that I have to pay for what should be a free road system (already payed for with my tax dollars) and I hate even more the idea that the money is going out of the country.

However, I will say that if I can save an hour of driving each day by paying $10-20 for a toll, then I will absolutely do it. If I'm making more than that much an hour then economically it makes sense let alone the psychological toll of an extra hour of traffic every day.

But yet another point was made in the link that snowmark posted: e470 itself has caused a significant increase in traffic due to the non compete clause that has prevented Colorado from building a road(s) that would have served similar purpose. The real question is, would the state have actually done something like that, let alone do it right?

I don't know the answers, but it certainly seems like a red flag that our elected officials aren't being given oversight of the deal. They may not get things done in the timeliest manner or sometimes at all but do you really trust cdot and the hpte to make a decision on this that will have the greatest PUBLIC benefit?
 
If they were putting in a new road it would be one thing, but for them to be taking over a road that was already paid for is where I have the problem.

Taxpayers already paid for that road.
 
After the November election we will be able to vote for the sale of the states assets, that is if we vote the law in.
 
If they were putting in a new road it would be one thing, but for them to be taking over a road that was already paid for is where I have the problem.

Taxpayers already paid for that road.

Government doesn't have the cash for a new road and the people don't want to have an increase in taxes...partner with a private company that will front the money for constructing the new road in return they get the toll revenue.

In theory it doesn't sound like a bad plan...

Can't find any creditable/well known? news sources reporting on it, only the ones stating that it will cost $28 from Denver to Boulder. Which I know won't be true...(at least for the first 40 years.......)

Need some more info... anyone have anything?


I would gladly agree to them selling i70 to a company that has the cash to put in 2 extra lanes and a movable barrier. If you want a smaller government its a start...

This has nothing to due with smaller government, Colorado has the money to do many things with our roads, TOLL ROADS ARE NOT THE ANSWER TO SMALLER GOVERNMENT!
 
Smaller government = selling roads to the private industry.

Is that the correct answer?
If the government sells off their roads that would make them smaller. Do you really want that?


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