I am new to snowmobiling and i've been looking for used sleds on craigslist. Do used snowmobiles have titles?
Any advice?
Any advice?
Buying a used sled in WA, do they have titles
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No titles, just registration.
Correct , just a registration. So, I just bought a sled and asked a few questions at the DOL. We thought before it was necessary to have the current registration but thats not even needed.
Need bill of sale with make model vin number and license(sticker) number. Thats minimum.
An old registration is convenient because all that info is there in type, as to eliminate errors. But Bill of sale on a sled is the major paper needed.
Need bill of sale with make model vin number and license(sticker) number. Thats minimum.
An old registration is convenient because all that info is there in type, as to eliminate errors. But Bill of sale on a sled is the major paper needed.
As others have said, no title. Here's where I'm at on one. Bought a sled from a girl here in WA. Got the bill of sale and took it down to the DOL. DOL says that it's not registered under the girls name, but hinted its probably in her dad's name. So now I'm dealing with trying to get it all transferred over. BTW, this is with a sled last registered in another state. Try to get the last registration so you can be sure you can see who the last "owner" is.
this is very important... otherwise you can't register it... I bought a vintage sled that is still unlicensed... as no one can tell me who it is registered to
Thanks for the info
Thanks for the all of the information. It makes sense now, i will use your advice.
thanks
Thanks for the all of the information. It makes sense now, i will use your advice.
thanks
And make sure the bill of sale reflects what you intend to pay for tax! 9.5% on the "fair market value", but can usually chew down the dmvtards if you have some sort of proof to back up the actual value of the machine.
(I can tell you fmv is waaaay overinflated too, that is unless my 08M1000 was worth $7500 last year.......hahahahahaha
)
I just inquired about getting tags for my vintage sled that my boy will be riding this year, as well as my 4wheeler which has never been registered in my name. All I have for both of them is a chicken-scratch bill of sale form the prev owners, different state. DMV guy said teh bill of sale, even hand written along with a printed photo of the VIN on the machine will suffice to get them registered.
(I can tell you fmv is waaaay overinflated too, that is unless my 08M1000 was worth $7500 last year.......hahahahahaha
)I just inquired about getting tags for my vintage sled that my boy will be riding this year, as well as my 4wheeler which has never been registered in my name. All I have for both of them is a chicken-scratch bill of sale form the prev owners, different state. DMV guy said teh bill of sale, even hand written along with a printed photo of the VIN on the machine will suffice to get them registered.
Hopefully the DMV and state have finally figured things out, so that they can see if there is a lean on the sled, like bank financing etc. I had a friend that bought a sled years ago from a private party. It was repossessed by the bank later, because the first owner didnt pay off the loan when he sold it. He lost the sled and the money he paid for the sled.
Might be a good question to ask.
Might be a good question to ask.
I wish all the states would be similar on everything. I bought a boat trailer out of Oregon, had to get a special conditional license for 3 years after I biult it into an enclosed in Washington, then a year before the three years were up moved to Idaho and had to start all over, get it inspected, etc. etc.
Stupid.
Stupid.
Yeah, it's silly how different states handle OHV's, sleds, boats, trailers, etc.
Title, no title. Especially boats. I lose track now because we've moved 6 times in the last 12-13yrs and it's adifferent story everywhere. SOme states title the boat trailer, but not the boat, other states tile the boat and not the trailer it sits on. Some title both.
Always a pain to register something in a state that does title that item coming form a state that all they give you is a State Parks or DNR registration card and trying to explain why you don't have a title.
I'd gladly put up with that hassle though compared to the butt r@pping WA trys to inflict by taxing you on something you already owned when you move to this wonderful state!
Just went in and titled a new(er) car we bought. Paid my 9.5% on a cash private party sale, all legit prices on the bill of sale, title, affidavit of sales price/value, etc and they still tired to value the car at about $5k more than I paid. That's an extra $500 hit in tax!!
Same time I was titling an old truck I bought, not running, towed it home, paid the guy $300 for it. DMV says it's worth, wait, sit down..............................$5800!!!!! No effin way I'm paying almost $600 just to title a POS that may have had a blown motor when I bought it.
(it didn't, so I got a good deal for sure, but you can't tax me on somthing I don't have, like a $5800 truck! As it sits now, cleaned up and running, it's still only worth about $3k, but to me it was only worth 10% of that when I bought it no running with dead batteries and oil everywhere.)
Okay, off to register the quad before hunting season and my kid
s 30yr old sled, 'cause I want to support the WA trails and grooming, etc.
Gettin ready for another fight. Bought both private party, cash, before I moved here. QUad was almost brand new, but had been rolled and the PO dumped it cheap rather than spending a few thousand at the dealer to have it repaired.
Got all my ammo ready for the DMV, but bet they still hassle me on the value of it to get their nickle (well, thousands of nickles, haha).
Title, no title. Especially boats. I lose track now because we've moved 6 times in the last 12-13yrs and it's adifferent story everywhere. SOme states title the boat trailer, but not the boat, other states tile the boat and not the trailer it sits on. Some title both.
Always a pain to register something in a state that does title that item coming form a state that all they give you is a State Parks or DNR registration card and trying to explain why you don't have a title.
I'd gladly put up with that hassle though compared to the butt r@pping WA trys to inflict by taxing you on something you already owned when you move to this wonderful state!
Just went in and titled a new(er) car we bought. Paid my 9.5% on a cash private party sale, all legit prices on the bill of sale, title, affidavit of sales price/value, etc and they still tired to value the car at about $5k more than I paid. That's an extra $500 hit in tax!!
Same time I was titling an old truck I bought, not running, towed it home, paid the guy $300 for it. DMV says it's worth, wait, sit down..............................$5800!!!!! No effin way I'm paying almost $600 just to title a POS that may have had a blown motor when I bought it.
(it didn't, so I got a good deal for sure, but you can't tax me on somthing I don't have, like a $5800 truck! As it sits now, cleaned up and running, it's still only worth about $3k, but to me it was only worth 10% of that when I bought it no running with dead batteries and oil everywhere.)
Okay, off to register the quad before hunting season and my kid
s 30yr old sled, 'cause I want to support the WA trails and grooming, etc.
Gettin ready for another fight. Bought both private party, cash, before I moved here. QUad was almost brand new, but had been rolled and the PO dumped it cheap rather than spending a few thousand at the dealer to have it repaired.
Got all my ammo ready for the DMV, but bet they still hassle me on the value of it to get their nickle (well, thousands of nickles, haha).
FYI, I just bought 2 trucks. A Toyota Tacoma for $9000 and a 94 Chev 3/4 for $1000. Took it to the licensing agency in Auburn, on Auburn Way North, close to main street. She said the computer kicked out a value of about $13,000. She went to edmunds.com and put in the exact model and miles and condition and it printed out a sheet with a value of $5800. She put that in a package with all my info and accepted the $9000 value. She couldn't title the 94 because it needed a smog test. She told me if the computer kicked out a value under $3000 they don't dispute any value at all. So I did the smog on the 94 and took it to the licensing agency closest to my house. Lady at the window said it was worth $4,000 So I asked her to do what the lady at Auburn licensing did. I was ready this time with my edmunds.com sheet that said it was worth between $150-500 because it has over 400,000 miles. She told me that I selected fair condition so the sheet wasn't valid, I needed to select good condition. So I left there and drove back to the Auburn agency. She didn't even question anything and titled it. A licensed car dealer can also give you values.
THANK YOU for that tip!
I will give that Auburn DMV a shot.......since the one in Issaquah wouldn't register my quad for less than about $350 use tax. (Did get them talked down on the truck though with another kbb valuation I brought in.
The quad I have valued at about $4500 per a NADA value I brought in. (Paid $1500 cause it was rolled.) Of course they would only use avg or high retail, not low retail, then, get this.
I told the lady about the "within $2000 of purchasse price" rule and she said that since I paid OVER $2k less then retail I'd get taxed on the whole amount!! WTH? So since I paid less I get taxed more, but if I paid more, the tax would actually be less!
To top it off, they would have put a 3yr wait on the title since it had not been registered in my name in the previous state I lived in where I bought it.
So eff it, I'm going to register it in CO first, easy to do, so that I can actually title it here. (Can't believe it owuld be easy to sell if I needed to sell it and told potential buyers the state has a 3yr hold on hte title to see if it's stolen!)
Friggin thieves here I tell ya!
Edit, emissions test. Never thought about that. The truck is a '94 Chevy 1500. They titled it no problem. Good thing it's a diesel, 'cause one of the problems was a plugged up soot trap (low tech cat converter) keeping the turbo from spooling. An hour later with sawzall, pipe and 2 band clamps that thing was in the garbage can and the engine could breathe again.
I will give that Auburn DMV a shot.......since the one in Issaquah wouldn't register my quad for less than about $350 use tax. (Did get them talked down on the truck though with another kbb valuation I brought in.
The quad I have valued at about $4500 per a NADA value I brought in. (Paid $1500 cause it was rolled.) Of course they would only use avg or high retail, not low retail, then, get this.
I told the lady about the "within $2000 of purchasse price" rule and she said that since I paid OVER $2k less then retail I'd get taxed on the whole amount!! WTH? So since I paid less I get taxed more, but if I paid more, the tax would actually be less!
To top it off, they would have put a 3yr wait on the title since it had not been registered in my name in the previous state I lived in where I bought it.
So eff it, I'm going to register it in CO first, easy to do, so that I can actually title it here. (Can't believe it owuld be easy to sell if I needed to sell it and told potential buyers the state has a 3yr hold on hte title to see if it's stolen!)
Friggin thieves here I tell ya!
Edit, emissions test. Never thought about that. The truck is a '94 Chevy 1500. They titled it no problem. Good thing it's a diesel, 'cause one of the problems was a plugged up soot trap (low tech cat converter) keeping the turbo from spooling. An hour later with sawzall, pipe and 2 band clamps that thing was in the garbage can and the engine could breathe again.
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Welcome to Washinton State - run by the Socialist Republic of Seattle. 
Most of us that have been here awhile, are none too pleased either.
I have had good luck having the Bill of Sale indicate things such as wrecked, not running, junk parts vehicle, etc.
I am not saying to be dishonest, I am just saying....
Most of us that have been here awhile, are none too pleased either.
I have had good luck having the Bill of Sale indicate things such as wrecked, not running, junk parts vehicle, etc.
I am not saying to be dishonest, I am just saying....
I head ya. Just learning the system up here.
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Release of interest
In addition to a DETAILED bill of sale, I recommend a release of interest be signed by the registered owner and/or person you bought it from. Not only does this give you legal parity(advantage) to it if the previously registered owner comes back (girl sells ex-boyfriend/husband's sled without his consent). I have also had good luck showing the Release of Interest form & registration & bill of sale to the duds at the DOL and not being hassled. Also, report the sale on the DOL website. My $.02. PM8.
In addition to a DETAILED bill of sale, I recommend a release of interest be signed by the registered owner and/or person you bought it from. Not only does this give you legal parity(advantage) to it if the previously registered owner comes back (girl sells ex-boyfriend/husband's sled without his consent). I have also had good luck showing the Release of Interest form & registration & bill of sale to the duds at the DOL and not being hassled. Also, report the sale on the DOL website. My $.02. PM8.
