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Back Country Jumps and Tracks

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Im looking for some ridding buddies that like to jump, jib and occasionally build natural snocross tracks in the back country. I usually ride Summit and Eagle counties. I ride a 2013 iqr with a 136 track and soon to be 800r. All my buddies have either quite ridding or are on much longer machines. After riding a pro 155 last year i choose to get another race sled but put a 136 under it for this year. I do not want to be chasing long tracks through the trees all day so i am looking for guys who are more into building hits. If anyone is into that kind of stuff and rides same areas send me a message. I have lots of free time in winter and like to go ride alot during the week to avoid the traffic.
 
I think a guy named red mtn. Is into that kind of thing but watch out I bet he will tell you his axys flies through the air better than the guys on the f-15s
 
So on days when snow is set up i like to build bigger pin it send it type jumps.
When there is fresh powder i prefer to find a wind lip with some vert and do more jib type stuff.
If anyone is in to that it would be cool to go sled together. I am tired of chassing people around all day so i can ride my hits for 15 mins. Really looking for guys who can ride the same couple hits all day and not be board.
 
On a side note has anyone checked out the new cat zr 600 r sx snocross sled. It is fuel injected and available to the public. Seems like a nice sled fot spring conditions if you ride a M series in winter. ZR SX even comes stock with a 7 gal tank whick is huge compared to the 3 gal my iqr came with. Its cool that you can actually buy them easily as well. Might save me trips to Minnesota in the future if i decide to switch to the cat. I did a 136 under my iqr but would probably just ride the ZR SX stock since it already has nice track set up at 129x1.75 and nice rear wheel set up. I dont know but im definitely intrigued by it.
 
Im looking for some ridding buddies that like to jump, jib and occasionally build natural snocross tracks in the back country. I usually ride Summit and Eagle counties. I ride a 2013 iqr with a 136 track and soon to be 800r. All my buddies have either quite ridding or are on much longer machines. After riding a pro 155 last year i choose to get another race sled but put a 136 under it for this year. I do not want to be chasing long tracks through the trees all day so i am looking for guys who are more into building hits. If anyone is into that kind of stuff and rides same areas send me a message. I have lots of free time in winter and like to go ride alot during the week to avoid the traffic.

I used to live in NY, and raced snocross on the east coast in the Pro division, and Nationally at the Semipro level... I love jumping etc...but once I moved to Washington I bought an RMK Pro 163" and never looked back. the pro chassis is amazing, I have the fully adjustable WE clickers, and if I feel like sending it, i'll crank the compression on the front and rears.

A snocross sled will not make a great back country sled because you won't be able to side hill for ****, and the lugs are not nearly tall enough to get good bite in this snow.

just my 2 cents
 
If anyone from out of state is planning a trip id be happy to guide unofficially. If any race teams coming to test or play ride id be happy to get you guys to the fun spots faster. Really any short track guys coming to Colorado are welcome to send me a personal message and i will set it all up. Please no beater sled crews! But if you have reliable sleds and like jumping and riding wind lips i will scout weather and find good spots to ride for your trip. Anything i can do to help out i will do. I just want to be able to ride as much as possible with guys who are pumped to be in the mountains
 
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I dont understand why only negative feedback on this. You would think getting younger guys involved in the sport would be a good thing. A kid can go spend $3000 on a used race sled and be out there jumping with the pros overnight.
Getting a turbo rmk and ridding like a pro is something that comes later with deeper pockets
It just seems like everyone is pushing things in a direction that is killing our sport.
Snowbikes are now taking a huge chunk of the boondocking market so what is the future of mountain snowmobiling.
It would seem to me that snowbikes are easier on the body than wrestling around a 400lb machine so the whole 174 track 30 inch wide front end easy to ride trend will fade.
So when all the boondockers are riding snowbikes what is left.
Obviously trail sleds and race sleds will always be popular, but 174 long 30 inch wide essentially production mod sleds will be hard to sell.
It seems like the current trend is to make sleds easier to ride in powder and less trail friendly. Well isnt a supper narrow easy to side hill and float sled essentially a few steps away from a snow bike. And snowmobiles get wrecked in the trees on a daily basis while a snow bike is less likely to get destroyed because of simply falling off. My buddy last year totaled his sled cause he fell off on a simple side hill and the sled ended up hitting a tree. That would never have happened on a snow bike.

I think the future of mountain snowmobiles is more along the lines of 136-155 track leghth with 40- 38 in front ends. And more of a younger jumping and jibing kind of crowd with older boondockers on snow bikes.

In order to save mountain sled market we also need to get the price of a sled down to 9 or 10 thousand. That is why i think the new zr 6000 sx is so cool at that price. It is indestructible and has great motor and suspension. now adays it is tough to find a tough sled. If cat made that sled in a 137 and 141 track they would sell a bunch of them. The 137 more tuned for trails and the 141 set up for powder. I know they make the M8000 141 and several 137 sleds but it doesn't have the beefy chassis like the ZR SX.

Ski Doo has right idea with the freeride, i just wish there was more of the RS chassis reinforcements on it and no cast aluminum. And also it costs $15,000 yikes!!!

But i definitely think the future is in sleds like the switchback assualt 144 and Freeride line up. But built tougher like the snocross chassis and also at a price a young guy can imagine financing. Also it would be nice to know that when that young guy is signing his life away for the next 48 months, that the sled he is buying will still be in one piece in 4 years. The way i ride if i went and financed a new freeride, there would be nothing left of the sled i originally bought 4 years ago when it finally got paid for. The sled i would have paid for would be in a pile of peices in my yard that where replaced over the years. So i would have essentially paid for about 2 and a half freerides over 4 years. Maybe one motor with a ski doo though!

So where is the sense in that? we need a affordable and tough sled for the younger guys. That is easy to work on and fix. That is why i like my iqr. I can have it striped down and weld up any chassis cracks over night when it gets banged up. It might not be pretty in 4 years but i will still trust it when flying through the air

Now a days you need insurance on your sled cause they so expensive and delicate. I understand that in order to be light you need to loose toughness but at what point is it crazy paying $15,000 and then adding 15k in mods for essentially a disposable sled that needs to be thrown out after a year of real deal ridding. Why not just get a snow bike for riding powder that will be as good as it was day 1 after a year of riding.

Cat is definitely on the right track with there line up and new snowbike. I just wish they would use there real deal race chassis on some other sleds. There thinking is definitely on the right path though with sleds like the M8000 141 and ZR 8000 RR 137. If those two sleds had the real deal SX chassis i would definitely buy one
 
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perhaps many riders don't want to go out and break their bones and end up in the hospital from jumping?

As for the track length, i think most people that ride in colorado are seeking deep powder, and would be in trouble with anything shorter than a 153
 
Sorry you right, i got a summit 174 with holz 21in front end last night and a $7000 10 speed road bike. Im ready to spend the rest of my life complaining about a knee injury i got playing hockey at 17. But i still need to get my bike spandex and tobe onsie. Anyone know any good spandex shops in Denver?

Lets just keep doing what we are doing until snowmobiling becomes more like pleasure boating rather than bad to the bone dont stop till you drop fun fun fun!

Am i the only guy left who isn't scared to hit some jumps? Or am I on an old guys forum and im just to dumb to realize it?

What I really dont understand is why i cant ride jumps and you guys ride powder? Why do people feel the need to tell other people what they should be doing. Why cant ski doo make a light/expensive summit 174 and a tougher/cheaper freeride that isnt ready for the recycle plant after a season? Im not saying pow riding is wrong im just saying a snowbike is a better machine for boondocking than a boat size sled but that only has one specific purpose(if thats what you want instead of snow bike great). But as soon as i say anything i get people telling me im doing it wrong. Dont we have enough people trying to kill our sport from the outside? So lets go ahead and try to kill it from the inside as well. Im not entirely convinced all these guys driving up the cost of sleds aren't undercover for green peace. I think green peace went out and bought all the bright color tobe gear and 174 leghth sleds they could, knowing sleders follow trends like blind deer. Then they inserted as many agents as they could into our community inorder to slowly squeeze us out.
So if a guy is talking about not getting hurt and just taking it easy be very suspicious. Before you know you will realize you spend more time talking about expensive easy to ride sleds and matching expensive gear more than actually using the stuff.

All im saying is that maybe a 850cc 174 sled should be a specailty machine. Not the machine the rest of the line up is built off of. If a guy with a bunch of money wants to get a $20,000 dollar specailty machine sweet. But should the rest of the sleds be weak expensive terds based off the same chassis?

According to the jumping equals broken bones theory everyone that downhill mountain bikes should quite and buy road bikes so that no one ever gets another broken bone.

Then people can just die in avalaches on sleds and buy getting hit buy drunk drivers on there speed bikes. Id personally rather have a 50% chance of getting a broken bone over a 2% chance of death.

But like I said that choice needs to be left up to the individual. Im just talking here and making observations and trying to get people to think about something other than the current trends
 
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A beat up but perfect running sled and ratty old gear used to be a badge of honor for the real deal sled head. Now it is a bit different. I think i liked it better the way it was before the mid life crisis took a hold of our sport.

And i apologize, i dont really work full-time, im basically stay at home dad whos kid started school, so i have nothing better to do right now than this until we get some real snow. I do septic sytem installs when i can, but i have no equipment payments so i am picky about what work i take. I usually stick to jobs i can do solo with the machines i have. And my wife has a sweet job and she is awsome so she lets me play my life away. Im basically a 31 year old child. Im not making this argument for me im making it for the hard working kids who see the videos and wish they could sled but think it to expensive. I saying this cause as the one of the fortunate people out there who can afford to do this i think we have a responsibility to keep things realistic.

I was at my local undisclosed bmx trails spot the other day and i asked the kids there if anyone rode sleds. They laughed and said no it crazy expensive, but the one dude said he watched the videos all the time and dreamed of owning a sled. And a few guys agreed.
Then i asked if any one rode moto cross and half the kids raised tgere hands. 20 years ago both those questions would have gotten more hands! When did sledding become a dream and not a reality for hard working young kids. And these are hard working kids that work full time and hand build and maintain these beautiful dirt jumps with there free time. They are not looking for a hand out. If they where they would be at there local town maintained dirt patch uncreative rounded off dirt jumps with the rest of the lazy kids on there $2500 dollar "dirt jumping" mountain bikes that only hit the jumps in-between text messages. But those kids will be out snowmobiling cause they are wealthy and they will want easy to ride sleds to ride and brand new gear and sleds every season. And they will be disrespectful in the back county cause they have never appreciated anything in there life. And then our riding areas will continue to shrink as our sleds get longer and easier to ride and become more and more like 3 seater jet skis. Inturn atracting more of the wrong kind of people to our sport. Until we are a bunch of fat rich guys riding around in a tiny lake or meadow cause its the only place where alwowed with 20 ft long turbo and supercharged terd riders

And the cycle continues

So ya if you love riding powder ride it, but dont be such a bratt about it that the entire industry has to change to suit your needs. Lets make a expensive deep powder specific sled for guys who can afford a different sled for a change in the weather. And then lets make a sled for under 10k that will still be in one peice when the payments are over for younger guys who are bit rougher on equipment and can also ride for more than a mile on harder snow without overheating so they dont need multiple sleds for weather and season changes. In my opinion riding a 174 track in the spring is about as fun as watching a fat guy fart. While ridding a 146 track in the deep can still be pretty dang fun.

And the really funny thing is if you gave one of those hard working kids i spoke of at the bmx trails above a sled he would destroy all of us within 5 hours of being on the thing.

I think what im trying to say with this rambling is this.
If snow bikes are good for tree riding, why are we changing the entire snowmobile industry to suit tree riding. Sleds are better in open space and are a blast to ride drainages and wind lips on. They are good machines for meadow playing and jibbing type stuff and jumping/dropping too. So why not keep sleds sleds and make snowbikes for boondocking. They are less prone to damage in the trees. My common sense has always told me snowmobiles + trees equals bad news. Why keep bending and breaking sleds on trees when snow bikes are awsome. You can ride tighter trees and get places sleds only dream of going. They can basically go anywhere and do it with zero damage to the machine. Maybe some new hand guards from time to time. But they are basically the perfect rig for the trees and deep snow. They also easier to get unstuck in deep snow which is rad. Especially as you get older and getting sleds unstuck becomes a bothersome and even body damaging task.

Things like narrower panels to stop panneling out are cool useful things. But a 850cc 35in wide 174x3 that my daughter could destroy with her toy hammer cause it only weighs 380lbs are not realistic things that the average guy needs. They have sure done a good job of convincing us we all ride the deepest British Columbia days every day all year long. You know they edit snowmobile videos right?

I plan on getting a snow bike the second i can afford one. Then i can do snowmobile things on my snowmobile and snow bike things on my snow bike. I really just think it crazy to make snowmobiles that are so one track minded.
ITS CALLED SNOWMOBILE MOUNTAIN FREERIDE
WE NEED TOUGHER AND CHEAPER SLEDS
 
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Currently the Polaris Pro RMK sleds are the best selling snowmobiles in the world. They have been for a few years now. The trend isn't towards snowbikes because the truth about snowbikes is that they can't go where sleds go unless heavily modified. I see more people in the mountains switching back to sleds rather than compromising a bike for snow.


I think you have completely misread the current market and climate in snowmobiling. Strange that most of the posts in the thread are yours, you have to talk to yourself and antagonize other posters. You challenge everybody but freak when responded too.


Jumping snowmobiles like you are talking about is just plain dangerous. It is a great way to break your back. No thanks.


Haven't you found it the least bit strange that nobody wants to play? Must be all the stupid mtn sledders boondocking on those stupid long track sleds....
 
They killed some of my finest work!!! To all the guys that are cool thank yoy for your support. I will be fighting the man and sending it till the day I die.
 
Hey guys, ive gotten together a couple guys who are wanting to hit some jumps and get it on camera. If anyone interested in putting together a short U tube video send me a PM. Really trying to get guys involved that are more into jumping than tree riding. Not really looking to put out another POV boondocking segment like the 5000 others on U tube. We trying to get guys who love sending it. You dont need a brand new sled and matching gear. Just be down to hit some jumps and help film other guys shredding.
 
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