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Axys 800 RPM fade

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jhurkot

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I have around 650 miles now and all of a sudden not able to hold RPM. Kind of happened all of a sudden. When I pin it, the rpm will hit 8200 then drop to 7500 or even lower. A few days ago it seemed to hold a steady 8250. So far I have taken apart both clutches, replaced primary spring, checked weights, tried different belt, new spark plugs. Anyone else have this happen? No engine codes so not sure if it could be the EGT probe or an exhaust valve issue. Possibly intake air sensor?
 
Seems they were having this problem with the new engine last year on the flatlander sleds. Try and find a forum from back east like flat and flater;) maybe they found the problem.
 
PM Northstarrick? He claimed to know what to check and what was causing the issue with the flatlander 800HO.

IIRC? There was not a single causal factor but multiple things that needed to be verified to be functioning correctly. Any of which can cause the issue as described.
 
Oh goodnight here we go again, this better not be a true thing on the HO....

Its funny I heard Burandt give a speech a few weeks ago and he actually admitted that all his pros after 500 miles had power loss, AKA "The Fade".... Polaris is still in denial though
 
I now that there is an article about this on dynotech research, they did a bunch of testing and the exhaust valves were not opening all the way, it also caused fat air to fuel mixture. Not sure if this is your problem but is worth looking into.
 
Go to the forum polaris star power. There is lost of info on there about this. .
 
From another forum last year... With these guys it seamed they didn't maintain the sled properly. With one exception... a power valve. Are you running a new Polaris Axys specific belt? They are different belts than the pro and you might want to double check that you didn't end up with the wrong one as your replacement. If you're running a new correct belt next I'd check the power valves since you've already serviced the clutches. Did you check the weight bushings on the primary? What oil are you running? I switched to the Race a few years ago and have noticed much better results.


"As you guys may know I was one of the guys that got to go to Minnesota and test drive the Axys along with other guys here on HCS. Well, I met some of the Polaris guys over there and stayed in touch. They were watching the threads about the FADE issues on here. They flew over some engineers to try to figure out the problem. I was contacted and asked it I would lend them my sled as well as FIXAHONDA (my brother) and my cousin Dan. I didn't have the fade problem much, they did. There was a total of 7 sleds they tested in Oquossoc, Maine. I was sent a copy of the results and and given the OK to post it:

They datalogged all sleds and found no issues with tuning. None had signs of knock retard at anytime.

They inspected all engines for wear and found none on any of them. All 7 motors were in perfect condition, mine had 3500 miles.

The most common factor among all of them were belt wear. The sleds were fitted with new belts, broken in and all of them performed at the correct operating RPMs.

They did find one sled with exhaust valve issues and replaced them as well as the controller. This was one of the main causes along with the belt on that sled.

Another sled had abnormal wear on the secondary, they replaced it and it fixed the problem on that sled.

In Maine where they tested is at an elevation of 1600ft and it was warm (48 deg) so some of the sleds did have a lazy backshift in those conditions. That's the only time mine struggled to get up to 8250. Polaris is going to release an update on clutching but I believe it will be 10-64 weights in higher elevations in warmer temps. They tested on Rangeley Lake and it's a big lake and flat so WOT testing was not a problem.

My sled had worn hyfax and they replaced them, they said they picked up 5 mph. I guess track tension and hyfax are important on these sleds.

As a result of the testing Polaris will release the info to dealers to help fix problem sleds.

They had our sleds for the whole week. At the end of the testing they got all 7 sleds to turn 8250 rpm's all the time.

Basically the engineers at Polaris said it was a combination of issues that were affecting rpm. The belts are only good for 1000-1500 miles of hard riding and the primary clutches are good for maybe 2500 miles before needing servicing. One of the primary clutches was taken back to Minnesota because of "irregular" wear.

Interestingly Oquossoc Marine had no reports of sleds with rpm fade before Polaris showed up.

Here's what I think: My first belt lasted 2400 miles before I did have rpm fade, I changed the belt right there on the trail, broke it in for 30 miles and then my fade issues were gone. I had 2014 ETEC 800 last year and had the same problems except I could only get 1000 miles out of a belt before rpm fade issues. My 2012 AC F1100T didn't required belt inspection because it would blow it to bits before 1000 miles. I rode with my buddy a lot with his ZR8000RR this winter and his sled would drop down to 7400 rpms randomly on top end runs. I guess this is the nature of 150+ motors. My sled has had no issues at all and even my 14 Doo stuck the valves at 2200 miles.

I know there's endless threads on here about issues but hat's off to Polaris for aggressively pursuing the problems. They watch this forum and listen. I ride my sled very hard and demand a lot. Overall I'm still happy with the sled and would recommend it. If you think the grass is greener at the Yellow camp, talk to my brother LENNSTANG on there about the living HELL he went through with 2 of the 3 Etec 800's he owned. As you guys can see, I'm not brand loyal, I owned a Doo and Cat before this. If I'm not happy I'll sell the sled and move on. I'm going to stick with the Axys because at the end of the day it still performed better for me than the competition."
 
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As far as deflection goes I tried everything from too loose, too tight (squealing), and just right with no changes. Also for belts I have used 3 different types so far. Stock polaris belt, arctic cat 048, and dayco. All 3 belts performed at proper RPM although I think the polaris belt probably lasts the longest as this year they finally matched the belt angle to the sheaves on the clutches.
I'll have to figure out a way to test the exhaust valves and also will check compression. I have heat on the sled as well so it's getting a real good dry down as it has been subjected to lots of over the headlight deep powder this past week.
 
Since clutches/belt sound to be addressed. Sounds like exhaust valves or something in the system that controls them (tps). Or maybe it's hitting the rev limiter? Are you riding at lower elevation that you were and it has more power for the clutching? I doubt it's something that worn out if it changed suddenly.
 
My flatland sled last year had this issue. My buddy also had the Pro-S like me and he also had issues. He brought his back to the dealership multiple times where I just listened to what he was told and tried finding the issue myself from digging on the HCS site with LOT"S of people that had problems with RPM. At the end of the year when riding was about done here in Maine Polaris sent out a crew of engineers to the Rangeley area to test some of the sleds with issues. My buddy offered his sled up for testing and they looked at it along with some others. Nothing was found??? Polaris handed out a bunch of new belts to these unlucky customers and followed up with a bulletin stating it was a belt issue?? "JOKE!" I traded mine in and got another one. "An SKS and another Pro-S" Hearing this news today doesn't bring me any comfort at all. I hope I'm wrong but get ready to hear a lot of buzz on this in the months to come. The HCS site was flooded with people starting new threads on the subject to the point that the HCS moderator started deleting posts on people. According to them they didn't feel we needed multiple threads on the RPM issue. "B.S" I did let my dealer have a look at my sled once before the end of the season. Nothing was found for problems. Sometimes I'd miss 400 RPM and other days I'd miss up to 1200. Shockingly sometimes running flawlessly for a few hours and getting 8400. In respect of my dealer which I do like.... They only go looking into the problem as far as Polaris allows them to. Any added work from your dealer out of the realm of what Polaris gave for a checklist to look into, they don't get compensated for their time. Obviously dealers only looked so far into the issue. Last year the Winter came to a close without any cure. No explanation from Polaris for the problematic sleds other than we were all stupid and needed new belts. Like I said, the HCS site was flooded with threads on this because they are more of a flatland sledder site. I was hoping this 2016 season would not still have this issue at hand. If it ends up the same and I even have one of my new sleds have this issue I'm going to be one pissed of Mother F**KER. A stupid son of a bitch at that for buying 2 H.O's this year. Supposably most of the 2015 HO sleds didn't have issues and I was banking on that and hoping for better luck in 2016. If this does become a problem again this year your going to see this Snowest site loaded with posts with angry people all over again. This year it won't be just HCS with complainers. Cross Your Fingers Guys!!!
 
My flatland sled last year had this issue. My buddy also had the Pro-S like me and he also had issues. He brought his back to the dealership multiple times where I just listened to what he was told and tried finding the issue myself from digging on the HCS site with LOT"S of people that had problems with RPM. At the end of the year when riding was about done here in Maine Polaris sent out a crew of engineers to the Rangeley area to test some of the sleds with issues. My buddy offered his sled up for testing and they looked at it along with some others. Nothing was found??? Polaris handed out a bunch of new belts to these unlucky customers and followed up with a bulletin stating it was a belt issue?? "JOKE!" I traded mine in and got another one. "An SKS and another Pro-S" Hearing this news today doesn't bring me any comfort at all. I hope I'm wrong but get ready to hear a lot of buzz on this in the months to come. The HCS site was flooded with people starting new threads on the subject to the point that the HCS moderator started deleting posts on people. According to them they didn't feel we needed multiple threads on the RPM issue. "B.S" I did let my dealer have a look at my sled once before the end of the season. Nothing was found for problems. Sometimes I'd miss 400 RPM and other days I'd miss up to 1200. Shockingly sometimes running flawlessly for a few hours and getting 8400. In respect of my dealer which I do like.... They only go looking into the problem as far as Polaris allows them to. Any added work from your dealer out of the realm of what Polaris gave for a checklist to look into, they don't get compensated for their time. Obviously dealers only looked so far into the issue. Last year the Winter came to a close without any cure. No explanation from Polaris for the problematic sleds other than we were all stupid and needed new belts. Like I said, the HCS site was flooded with threads on this because they are more of a flatland sledder site. I was hoping this 2016 season would not still have this issue at hand. If it ends up the same and I even have one of my new sleds have this issue I'm going to be one pissed of Mother F**KER. A stupid son of a bitch at that for buying 2 H.O's this year. Supposably most of the 2015 HO sleds didn't have issues and I was banking on that and hoping for better luck in 2016. If this does become a problem again this year your going to see this Snowest site loaded with posts with angry people all over again. This year it won't be just HCS with complainers. Cross Your Fingers POLARIS!!!

Fixed the last part of your post. I feel that if the mountain guys have substantial problems with fade, Polaris will be in deep looking for a solution.
 
"Fade" isn't the right word. If your rpm "fades" away over time...its worn parts of some type.

If you have a sudden loss of rpm, or inconsistent loss of rpm, chances are much higher it's something electronics related.
 
"Fade" isn't the right word. If your pm "fades" away over time...its worn parts of some type.

If you have a sudden loss of rpm, or inconsistent loss of rpm, chances are much higher it's something electronics related.

Or worn clutch parts. .. i had the same problem on my ski doo xp about every 500 miles.
 
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