Thanks aviator, i watch that post daily, i already have done the lower hole, and went further to drill new hole for the front shock and legnthen the limiters and WOW that is the answer pack the skies 6inches off the ground in hardpack for track steering on sidehills etc. BUT in the shop it would bottom agaist the shock body and not the rubber on the rails, so i didn't want to hurt the shock so i put it back. It NEEDS a longer front shock or i was going to try and drill the template rivets out and move them down for another hole. FWIW from elvis's pics the extra scissor hole is on the HCR rails only. Messed with that a little lastnight too. Ride height unchange but darn near identical to geo mod without moving it up into your tunnel.