Who has done this and how did it work for you? I have heard from some credible people that have been running them and getting huge increases in MPG. Are there any drawbacks?
Anyone run a Hydrogen generator to increase mileage?
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Looks promising, doesn't it? $1095 from the Greenfuturetechnology company. I'll be curious to see if anybody has given one of these a shot.
Oh come on, with all the 10 mpg trucks on this site someone must have tried it.
I see some kits down to less than $400, they say you can buy the materials to do it for about $100 but I havn't found any detailed plans available.
Powerstroke owner I heard from was getting just over 10 towing a BIG trailer, now he sees 14 on the same run. Sounds too good to be true to me, but there hasn't been anyone able to debunk it yet.
I see some kits down to less than $400, they say you can buy the materials to do it for about $100 but I havn't found any detailed plans available.
Powerstroke owner I heard from was getting just over 10 towing a BIG trailer, now he sees 14 on the same run. Sounds too good to be true to me, but there hasn't been anyone able to debunk it yet.
If it worked, the oil companies would already have kidnapped & killed the inventor. Then, threw the plans away forever.
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What is this supposed to be?
I'm going to take the liberty of calling bull**** on this before any of you guys even explain it to me because I know for a fact that under perfectly ideal (ie, unreachable in the real world) that it takes 237 kJ/kg (Gibbs rule) of energy to electroloyze water to produce hydrogen and that's far and away the most feasable method for producing it to be used in a transportation scenerio.
So, somebody explain to me how yanking that much power off your car's engine, IE, burning MORE gas to produce hydrogen that does what for your car is gonna increase your miledge?
What is this supposed to be?
I'm going to take the liberty of calling bull**** on this before any of you guys even explain it to me because I know for a fact that under perfectly ideal (ie, unreachable in the real world) that it takes 237 kJ/kg (Gibbs rule) of energy to electroloyze water to produce hydrogen and that's far and away the most feasable method for producing it to be used in a transportation scenerio.
So, somebody explain to me how yanking that much power off your car's engine, IE, burning MORE gas to produce hydrogen that does what for your car is gonna increase your miledge?
fourwheeler just did an article (july 2008) on beefing up a GM 2500. Added a water-methanol injection system by snow performance. Gained 30 some HP? and a few mpgs.
http://www.xtremediesel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2075
I'm not sure if this site is a scam or not.....
http://www.waterfuelx.com/?hop=awreload
http://www.xtremediesel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2075
I'm not sure if this site is a scam or not.....
http://www.waterfuelx.com/?hop=awreload
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on the new diesels, there is a chip from a diesel site and cut the exhaust out and put straights in with no filters. they say the milage goes way up
Yha Dogmeat, I hear you. There's no way to make hydrogen and oxygen (from water), then burn it back to water, then make hydrogen and oxygen from it again, and make energy. Electrolysis is only 85% efficient at best. Not to mention, engines are only 20 - 35% efficient at converting burning fuel energy, to horsepower/torque. Lots and lots of people have tried it, and no body's made anything their willing to let scientist look at. IE: one big hook and sinker.
Some of the link powersledder showed were different. Basically, their spraying Methanol and water into the engine. Methanol is a fuel, so it will add power [but it only has half the energy per gallon as diesel, so it's not "economical"]. The water would help to keep the Methanol from pre-detonating. And, water has another interesting way of creating power. Basically, you squirt a volume of water into the cylinder, and the water vaporizes from the heat in the cylinder, and expands 1600 times. They've basically created a partial steam engine, and recovered some of the heat of combustion of the diesel. There's limits to making steam power this way. You can't create so much steam that you can't get the diesel to explode. And you can't create so much steam that you cool the combustion camber down to the point where it doesn't run efficiently. And, you can't put so much steam in that you rust the engine up. But, this has been done and shown to work. I would think, 30% mileage increase would be about the limit of water steam power though.
So, in a place with low humidity, you could obviously spray a good amount of water into the cylinder, and make a little extra power.
I'd like to know if anyone's every done that on here, and what the outcome was.
Some of the link powersledder showed were different. Basically, their spraying Methanol and water into the engine. Methanol is a fuel, so it will add power [but it only has half the energy per gallon as diesel, so it's not "economical"]. The water would help to keep the Methanol from pre-detonating. And, water has another interesting way of creating power. Basically, you squirt a volume of water into the cylinder, and the water vaporizes from the heat in the cylinder, and expands 1600 times. They've basically created a partial steam engine, and recovered some of the heat of combustion of the diesel. There's limits to making steam power this way. You can't create so much steam that you can't get the diesel to explode. And you can't create so much steam that you cool the combustion camber down to the point where it doesn't run efficiently. And, you can't put so much steam in that you rust the engine up. But, this has been done and shown to work. I would think, 30% mileage increase would be about the limit of water steam power though.
So, in a place with low humidity, you could obviously spray a good amount of water into the cylinder, and make a little extra power.
I'd like to know if anyone's every done that on here, and what the outcome was.
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http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/Here is a link to what I am referring to...
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Good job explaining that, but it also cools your intake temps quite a bit, thus making the air more dense or giving your motor more of it.
I made a hyd. fuel cell. bubbled it into a bucket of soapy water. Extreamly dangerous. when I ignited the bubbles WOW. you need ear plugs. I can see if you produced enough hyd, maybe you could help MPH. But be careful of a back flash. One way valves etc. Water injection is all different, thats when you inject and create steam. Remember the brown gas or hydrogen does have alot of power,be careful. Produceing enough to help your mileage is still being worked on.
Yes, it will cool the intake air, reducing it's volume, and thereby allow more air and fuel to be pushed into the cylinder. But, that doesn't help mileage. Just produces more horsepower. At least that's what makes sense to me. PV=nRT is just that, no matter where you start the heating cycle. The expansion is a delta Temperature change.
I wasn't sure from the description, if they were spraying the water into the air intake, or mixing it with the diesel to be sprayed into the cylinder. Either way.
Burndown1, I'm confused, you made a fuel cell????? Are you sure you didn't mean electrolysis machine? A electrolysis machine would take in water, and electricity, and produce hydrogen and oxygen gas. A fuel cell, would take in hydrogen and oxygen, and produce electrical current.
I wasn't sure from the description, if they were spraying the water into the air intake, or mixing it with the diesel to be sprayed into the cylinder. Either way.
Burndown1, I'm confused, you made a fuel cell????? Are you sure you didn't mean electrolysis machine? A electrolysis machine would take in water, and electricity, and produce hydrogen and oxygen gas. A fuel cell, would take in hydrogen and oxygen, and produce electrical current.
