Another Polaris Towed Out...
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why do people on this forum think that turning your oiler up will cause your pistons to fit properly
Who has ever said that or thinks this????
I do not see many oil related problems on here most of them are cylinder skirts taking out the cases . Why prolong the problem
Go ride your Cat..be happy. Stop stirring the pot
Ya, why try to get more reliabilty, thats just silly.
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m8matt
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Once cat gets a better chassis, that might be an option. As per usual every little problem produces comments like this that are totally overblown. I was a long time Cat customer until this latest chassis that they came up with. It's a trenching SOB, heavy and in my mind not a mountain chassis. I personally know the the owner of the Polaris dealer that I am currently dealing with and they had one 2012 Pro engine go down last year. They sold 80+ pro's last year. These are odds I'm willing to deal with. People keep on dragging this drive shaft business on and on. Put a clamp on it or change the shaft and carry on with life. After all we are snowmobiler's...some of the most die hard problem solvers around.
My last 2 sleds were M8's turbo's running 10-14 pounds of boost...this new Pro is more fun to ride in stock form than both of them.
My last 2 sleds were M8's turbo's running 10-14 pounds of boost...this new Pro is more fun to ride in stock form than both of them.
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bradburck
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I don't know about all these motor failures.. but the dude towing on the cat looks like a badass.. just saying.....those cat motors just run forever. HA!
In all honesty, it was a ****ty days boys. 3 ft of fresh on the ground, 9 hour drive, perfect untouched drainage... then about 11 am.. BOOM.. I heard it go and knew it was game over. Sucks.
I've ridden with Ryan for just about every mile of that sled and can attest to his care and it being in totally stock form its entire life. We figure there had to be something bad from the factory with the crank to take out several clutch springs, an entire clutch and now the entire motor.
The pro's are amazing sleds, but I can not believe it only made it 600 miles.
Took us 3.5-4 hrs to get it back to the truck and thank fully a group of fellas from ND came along to help us drag it the last 300 yards up the hill. We tried every tow combo we had available to us. Short, long, double, etc. Found it was easier (relative) to just drag it by hand.
Oiler will solve some problems, but it's not going to solve the "rocking" piston problem. Sucks cause the motor is the honestly the only reason I'm not on a pro myself. Love the sled and it's capabilities.
In all honesty, it was a ****ty days boys. 3 ft of fresh on the ground, 9 hour drive, perfect untouched drainage... then about 11 am.. BOOM.. I heard it go and knew it was game over. Sucks.
I've ridden with Ryan for just about every mile of that sled and can attest to his care and it being in totally stock form its entire life. We figure there had to be something bad from the factory with the crank to take out several clutch springs, an entire clutch and now the entire motor.
The pro's are amazing sleds, but I can not believe it only made it 600 miles.
Took us 3.5-4 hrs to get it back to the truck and thank fully a group of fellas from ND came along to help us drag it the last 300 yards up the hill. We tried every tow combo we had available to us. Short, long, double, etc. Found it was easier (relative) to just drag it by hand.
Oiler will solve some problems, but it's not going to solve the "rocking" piston problem. Sucks cause the motor is the honestly the only reason I'm not on a pro myself. Love the sled and it's capabilities.
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aebsledder
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What's the next step?
Since misery loves company, (I too lost a cylinder skirt) what are your plans now? My warranty is going to run out, so my plan was to just get more warranty and blow it up again. I figure if I spend a thousand, that is a few hundred more than a new head and some pistons, which I would have got anyways in a feeble attempt to make it more "reliable", which is a moving target in the snowmobile world. A new short block is something crazy like $4000. I figure it actually cost Polaris around 1500-2000? I have no idea what the markup would be. In my warped mind I am thinking I am then "sticking" it to Polaris for maybe 800 bucks? Or would it be more since they may have to pay the dealership for their labor? Whatever the cost may be, as long as Polaris has to pay something out of their pocket, I feel like I am contributing in some small way to them maybe producing a more reliable powerplant...if there is such a thing in this crazy hobby.
Based on the replies here...I think it is safe to assume that Polaris has NOT got the bugs worked out of this CFI2 engine...
It's not like they've had 6 years or anything...
Since misery loves company, (I too lost a cylinder skirt) what are your plans now? My warranty is going to run out, so my plan was to just get more warranty and blow it up again. I figure if I spend a thousand, that is a few hundred more than a new head and some pistons, which I would have got anyways in a feeble attempt to make it more "reliable", which is a moving target in the snowmobile world. A new short block is something crazy like $4000. I figure it actually cost Polaris around 1500-2000? I have no idea what the markup would be. In my warped mind I am thinking I am then "sticking" it to Polaris for maybe 800 bucks? Or would it be more since they may have to pay the dealership for their labor? Whatever the cost may be, as long as Polaris has to pay something out of their pocket, I feel like I am contributing in some small way to them maybe producing a more reliable powerplant...if there is such a thing in this crazy hobby.
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rmscustom
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Bacon
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So it's ok for you guys to be over in the Cat section starting $hit but when I post facts, you get all butt hurt? I said they produced a factory lightweight mod sled with an unreliable motor. If you can dispute those facts, go ahead. I know of too many poo motors personally that have premature failures. There is a long thread right here with all the people that have failed motors.
I am never in the Cat section, so lets get that straight. I have no reason to talk smack about anyones ride, be happy go ride ur cat.
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SSWIM
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No offense here. I do have to say I have had 4 Pros and not a failure. The group I ride with also has had no failures. Probably somewhere around 25-30 Pros that have been great sleds. Am I saying there are not failures?? Absolutely not. Sure there are failures. But I also have seen Cat failures. Had a 2012 PC myself. Great sled. Just like the Pros better.
Playful banter on the Internet is enjoyable. Too many just let it get too personal. I think we need SNOW
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acsnoracer69
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OH SO TRUE!!!! They did it all last season--and it was ok, but now the shoe is on the other foot and it sucks??? After 6 years--you would have thought they would figure these engine issues out. Good luck
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trackvs2wheels
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My plans now are to let Polaris (or the sorry 3rd party warranty company they have outsourced the 2-4 year extended warranty coverage to) put in a new short block and I am going to beat the living hell out of it for another 3 years (until my warranty runs out). Of course, if history is any indication here, by that time the sorry 3rd party warranty company (read above) will have put another 2 motors in it. Then I will sell it, taking it fully in the rear while lubed up with lots of petroleum jelly...because who wants to buy a 4 year old Polaris with no warranty left!
I will then turn around and anny up another $8k to purchase the new Polaris sled that year...hopefully obtaining yet another 4 year warranty on that machine
Because let's be honest here guys...the PRO is the ONLY real mountain chassis/sled out there right now...and it's the most fun thing in the world to ride in fresh powder!!!!
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trackvs2wheels
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XM Update
Rode the 2013 XM this weekend with the tmotion.
Although the sled does lay over a little easier than the previous XP's, it's still no Pro guys.
Maybe some will feel differently, but the sled still doesn't perform like the Pro's do in the steep and deep...I don't care what anyone says...I don't buy it based upon first hand knowledge of the sleds abilities (i.e. I RODE IT)!
I'll be sticking with my Pro's hoping to god that the motor, driveshaft, quickdrive, and throttle cable stay together (yes, I broke a throttle cable on the 2013 this weekend...who breaks a throttle cable???)
Rode the 2013 XM this weekend with the tmotion.
Although the sled does lay over a little easier than the previous XP's, it's still no Pro guys.
Maybe some will feel differently, but the sled still doesn't perform like the Pro's do in the steep and deep...I don't care what anyone says...I don't buy it based upon first hand knowledge of the sleds abilities (i.e. I RODE IT)!
I'll be sticking with my Pro's hoping to god that the motor, driveshaft, quickdrive, and throttle cable stay together (yes, I broke a throttle cable on the 2013 this weekend...who breaks a throttle cable???)
hey fred i,ve heard from lots of people like your self, that feel that this is a well designed motor and that the failures are somehow caused by not turning their oilers up. i challange you to take one of these motors apart and not find plenty of oil in it oil is the very least of the problems with the 800s.there is a reason why these failures all look amost exactly the same.it a design problem .so go put your head in sand until yours goes boom too,the clock is ticking.p/s i left arctic cat due to other problems i couldn't stomach,my piped 09 m1000 had a great motor the only problem was i hated putting a new belt on every other ride, using way more gas and oil than than my pro does, blowing belts during climbs and regularly getting my butt kicked by 800 pros. so clearly h/p is the end all be all of climbing.is that enough of a rant for ya.im on this forum to try and stimulate discussions not to one up or get in a p***ing match with people i don't even know .i want polaris to fix the problems with this motor so we can all ride and have fun with out worry.
hey fred i,ve heard from lots of people like your self, that feel that this is a well designed motor and that the failures are somehow caused by not turning their oilers up. i challange you to take one of these motors apart and not find plenty of oil in it oil is the very least of the problems with the 800s.there is a reason why these failures all look amost exactly the same.it a design problem .so go put your head in sand until yours goes boom too,the clock is ticking.p/s i left arctic cat due to other problems i couldn't stomach,my piped 09 m1000 had a great motor the only problem was i hated putting a new belt on every other ride, using way more gas and oil than than my pro does, blowing belts during climbs and regularly getting my butt kicked by 800 pros. so clearly h/p is the end all be all of climbing.is that enough of a rant for ya.im on this forum to try and stimulate discussions not to one up or get in a p***ing match with people i don't even know .i want polaris to fix the problems with this motor so we can all ride and have fun with out worry.
Hey MTNCat, I never said that.
I have not read any thread on this site that says by soley turning the oil pump up will solve the problems that some are having with the CFI4. Check your facts before throwing accusation around.I am also not going to try and discredit the guys that have several thousand miles of zero problems with there CFI4 motors.
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if you read through posts and most signatures they alot of the people have noted that there oilers are turned up so they must feel its an important mod to make the engines last, also some of the first coments on tracs failure were if he had his oiler turned up,i like many others didn't have to read the whole post to know what happed thats all i was saying i allready spoke with the per who posted the oiling coment and explained where i was coming from didn't mean to offend,and sorry to any one who i offended. i don,t come on here to do that. i have alot of car and truck dealership experiance as a mechanic and foreman 30years and 2years of college, also been involved in snow and dirt sports for years,but i don't know every thing.we have four pros inour group and none have blown up, but that in its self doesn't mean there is not a problem. these motors can be running perfect then boom. lets keep the pressure on polaris to stand behind their products and be positive.
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IceCap
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Yes Polaris needs to build better motors. In the mean time polaris should be more proactive and have more engines in stock and ready to go.
So if you blow an engine and they tear it down and cant fix it that day... put in a replacement engine in and the customer can ride the next day.
Really how much would it cost Polaris industries to have a few more new engines available. Look at what it would do for their customer relations.
I hope your listening P.I.
So if you blow an engine and they tear it down and cant fix it that day... put in a replacement engine in and the customer can ride the next day.
Really how much would it cost Polaris industries to have a few more new engines available. Look at what it would do for their customer relations.
I hope your listening P.I.
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