700 vs 800 which one I should get?
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Advanced Search is your friend on this question. There are a bunch of threads with the exact same question about 700 vs 800 to include issues.
If you want my personal opinion, it depends on what you want the sled to do. I love my 700 for boondocking and playing in the mountains and wouldn't trade it for an 800...for now anyway. If you want a hill climber there is no question that an 800 has more torque and will outclimb a 700. the 07 and newer 700's are just built up small block 600's, that will run forever!
If you want my personal opinion, it depends on what you want the sled to do. I love my 700 for boondocking and playing in the mountains and wouldn't trade it for an 800...for now anyway. If you want a hill climber there is no question that an 800 has more torque and will outclimb a 700. the 07 and newer 700's are just built up small block 600's, that will run forever!
800=boom
700=good to go! (except for the 06)
700=good to go! (except for the 06)
800 CRANK ISSUES
Of the (3) 800's in our group that we all purchased brand new, the first (2) we had our primary clutches balanced in the first season, the last sled did not.
1) I had a 2002 800, 6400+ miles, .0025 crank run-out when I sold it
2) My bud's 2003 800, 4500+ miles, less than .002" crank run-out, still riding it today
3) My no-maintenance bud, 2002 800, crank failed at 7500 miles, never did anything other than dump gas and oil into it, and occasionally a splash of anti-freeze
SLP said the 2001's had the most crank failures, and less the following years...........
For what it's worth
Of the (3) 800's in our group that we all purchased brand new, the first (2) we had our primary clutches balanced in the first season, the last sled did not.
1) I had a 2002 800, 6400+ miles, .0025 crank run-out when I sold it
2) My bud's 2003 800, 4500+ miles, less than .002" crank run-out, still riding it today
3) My no-maintenance bud, 2002 800, crank failed at 7500 miles, never did anything other than dump gas and oil into it, and occasionally a splash of anti-freeze
SLP said the 2001's had the most crank failures, and less the following years...........
For what it's worth
Had an '01 800 that I put on 5500 miles in one season before selling it and it ran flawlessly for the owner another 2 seasons no problems. The owner had it for several seasons and it ran great for him as well, mileage unknown but it was around 15k last I heard. . .
Owned an '04 PRo-X2 700 bought it used with 2k miles on it, put on new primary at 8k. Crank happened to give at 10k but changed it with a freshly rebuilt one and it was still running when I sold it with 12k on the odo.
Either sled will run consistantly and for miles and miles if you run a good belt and primary that is in good condition. If it shows signs of wear then rebuilt it, balance it. And run good dino oil not the synthetic stuff, increase the oiler to use a bit more than recommended.
Owned an '04 PRo-X2 700 bought it used with 2k miles on it, put on new primary at 8k. Crank happened to give at 10k but changed it with a freshly rebuilt one and it was still running when I sold it with 12k on the odo.
Either sled will run consistantly and for miles and miles if you run a good belt and primary that is in good condition. If it shows signs of wear then rebuilt it, balance it. And run good dino oil not the synthetic stuff, increase the oiler to use a bit more than recommended.
7000 miles on my 800, ripped it down just to be on the safe side.
I vote 800, use a 911 clutch cover and keep the buttons shimed and all bushings good, less vibrations on the crank.
Don't use impacts on a clutch puller either
I vote 800, use a 911 clutch cover and keep the buttons shimed and all bushings good, less vibrations on the crank.
Don't use impacts on a clutch puller either
The 700s are bullet proof I know people that have 6xxx to 7xxx miles on them but if you are interested in buying an 800 ask the owner if there has been a big bearing kit put in it and it should be fine but if it doesn't i would be a little hesatant about buyin it.
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maddog21
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Buying the 2004 Vertical Escape 800 with 159inch in 2 weeks. it has 600 miles on brand new motor.
maybe i should ask the owner about big bearing kit, if not, no big deal, maybe next year will install one.
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boxster7614
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Congrats on your new sled. If it only has 600 miles you should be good to go. Make sure the crank has been replaced and not just a top end rebuild. The big bearing is not a guaranteed fix. Do a search for indydan he has a lot of posts concerning crank failure. There is some controversy whether or not it fixes the issue but a lot of guys won't buy a sled without it done. It’s kind of a peace of mind thing but it's a false one. They can still break even with a big bearing kit. If it doesn’t have it, leave it alone. I bought a 2003 vertical escape with 1600 miles on it I tore the engine down to put a big bearing in for "peace of mind" and it still broke 600 miles later. I think the biggest thing is to replace the rod pin every 2500 miles and make sure the case is still in spec. You can have the entire crank rebuilt for $350 around here so it’s worth not being stranded in the back country. When I put my big bearing in I did not do the rod pin. I think they break do to fatigue. Some last thousands of miles, some don't. Although this is just one type of crank failure do a search on indydan lots of info there. 700's tend to be better on cranks but they still break just not as many. We have to keep in mind that no 2 stroke motor is completly reliable. Just ride it and dont worrie about it, Have fun!
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maddog21
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yes like i said the motor is brand new include crank and pistons
I will look it up on indydan.. thanks!
700 vs 800
I have had 3, 700s, # 1, 1997 700 rmk 136, 5600 miles beat to he__ no engine problems. #2, 2001 700 rmk 144, 3100 miles no engine problems. # 3, 2003 700 rmk 144, 1900 miles no engine problems, just a recall on fuel line. Then came the 800s, #1, 2003 verticale escape 159, 1200 miles crank went out replaced under warranty, then at 2500 miles crank snapped off at clutch replaced with a indy dan torque master, it ran awesome, then sold it.(That was a bad move!) Currently i am building a 2003 800 rmk 159 sno check that i purchased with a bad engine, crank pin was snapped on clutch side, it has 3600 miles and i purchased it from the original owner. Now with all that being said My choice on the two sleds is the 800!! I love the low end torque of these motors, i have road these sleds and researched and feel confidante in the 800s. Just my 02
I have had 3, 700s, # 1, 1997 700 rmk 136, 5600 miles beat to he__ no engine problems. #2, 2001 700 rmk 144, 3100 miles no engine problems. # 3, 2003 700 rmk 144, 1900 miles no engine problems, just a recall on fuel line. Then came the 800s, #1, 2003 verticale escape 159, 1200 miles crank went out replaced under warranty, then at 2500 miles crank snapped off at clutch replaced with a indy dan torque master, it ran awesome, then sold it.(That was a bad move!) Currently i am building a 2003 800 rmk 159 sno check that i purchased with a bad engine, crank pin was snapped on clutch side, it has 3600 miles and i purchased it from the original owner. Now with all that being said My choice on the two sleds is the 800!! I love the low end torque of these motors, i have road these sleds and researched and feel confidante in the 800s. Just my 02
