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509 Evolution really an AFX-FX-17?

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polaris6

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So Im looking at the 509 helmets as I love my 509 goggles and they just dont fit my Polaris helmet that great. I came along this AFX FX-17 helmet and it looks identical to the 509's. Its $100.00 less than the 509 Evolution helmets. Besides from 509 doing a great job with their snow graphics on the helmet are there any differences at all between these two helmets?

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They appear similar. I'm sure there are some differences that contribute to the higher price of the 509. I love my 509 goggles and really just want to figure if the face opening is the same size. Rumor has it 509 is coming out with a carbon fiber helmet soon!
 
Helmets are similar. I imagine there are probably only a handful of manufactures that even produce helmets.

If you had them side by side the differences would be more obvious.

Here is an easy one to notice...the rubber goggle channel is clearly different.


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Also it looks to me like the chin strap pins are in a different location?


Not sure. But what I do know is that 509 is a great company that stands behind their products. They are a snowmobile company owned by a snowmobiling family providing quality products for the snowmobiling community. What more could you ask for?

I think the important thing is that we all wear helmets when riding.

Just take your 509 goggles into your local shop and try them together before you buy anything. That way you can be sure of the fitment.
 
Pull the complete liner out of your 509 helmet or call AFX and see what they say.
 
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Also came across this,

509 Films, on Dec 7 2009, 11:49 AM, said:
The helmet industry literally has several hundred different name brands (Fox, Fly, AFX, etc, etc, etc). The truth is there are only a handful of major helmet manufacturing companies that produce helmets for all these companies. The company we chose has been in business for over 30 years and manufactures helmets for many large brands out there, AFX being one of them. While i'm not entirely familiar with the AFX line, it does appear they use a similar or even same shell as the 509 Evolution helmet. But to say the 509 helmet is identical with a "decal" kit applied, is quite an overstatement. A helmets shell provides the overall shape of the helmet, but many other components make up the majority of the overall product. There are a wide range of available materials for the liner, cheek pads, even the exterior design and finish. All of which affect production cost. Also factor the warranty and the company that stands behind the product. We offer a lifetime visor replacement warranty. No other company does this. Factor the personalized service. If you need replacement cheek pads, we'll exchange for free. If you need replacement visor screws...free. If you need a replacement mouth piece....free, etc, etc, etc. Factor the buying power. AFX is a much larger company than 509, so fortunately for them the are able to purchase in much larger discounted quantities. Factor the vision of the company. If you purchase from AFX, do you think they give back and support snowmobile land use issues? 509 does and always will. We are a snowmobile company through and through. And as sledders, we continually improve all our products. For example, we are developing an innovative breathbox specifically for our helmet and we will provide it for free to every 509 helmet purchased directly from us (released next fall).

If you look closely there is no end to the number of shared shells across different brands in the industry. It's a common practice. So while AFX does share the same "shell", it's an incorrect assumption to say it's the exact same helmet. There are many many factors that make up the overall product.

If you read through this, 509 really doesn't say much but do you really think there going to come right out and say there exactly the same, no. Of course there "different" if you consider the paint, interior color, padding color and the warranty 509 offers. They do admit that the shell is the same, so really what else is going to be that different???

It would be interesting for someone to take a 509 and AFX helmet completely apart, including cutting them half and finally put this debate to rest! Anyone interested???
 
The shell may be similar, construction and fit sure are different... I have one of 509's helmets from last season... A riding buddy has the AFX that he got from an online vendor... not the same fit or liner materials.

I don't think that the shell construction is the same, though it looks like a very similar or the same mold... the construction looks different to me.

I'm as cheap as the next guy but will always pay for better quality... the 509 helmet is that for me.

As others said before, I like supporting a company that supports me... and 509 has taken care of me on goggle damage even though it was clearly my fault. American based fellow-sledder company gets my vote everytime.
 
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Also came across this,

509 Films, on Dec 7 2009, 11:49 AM, said:
The helmet industry literally has several hundred different name brands (Fox, Fly, AFX, etc, etc, etc). The truth is there are only a handful of major helmet manufacturing companies that produce helmets for all these companies. The company we chose has been in business for over 30 years and manufactures helmets for many large brands out there, AFX being one of them. While i'm not entirely familiar with the AFX line, it does appear they use a similar or even same shell as the 509 Evolution helmet. But to say the 509 helmet is identical with a "decal" kit applied, is quite an overstatement. A helmets shell provides the overall shape of the helmet, but many other components make up the majority of the overall product. There are a wide range of available materials for the liner, cheek pads, even the exterior design and finish. All of which affect production cost. Also factor the warranty and the company that stands behind the product. We offer a lifetime visor replacement warranty. No other company does this. Factor the personalized service. If you need replacement cheek pads, we'll exchange for free. If you need replacement visor screws...free. If you need a replacement mouth piece....free, etc, etc, etc. Factor the buying power. AFX is a much larger company than 509, so fortunately for them the are able to purchase in much larger discounted quantities. Factor the vision of the company. If you purchase from AFX, do you think they give back and support snowmobile land use issues? 509 does and always will. We are a snowmobile company through and through. And as sledders, we continually improve all our products. For example, we are developing an innovative breathbox specifically for our helmet and we will provide it for free to every 509 helmet purchased directly from us (released next fall).

If you look closely there is no end to the number of shared shells across different brands in the industry. It's a common practice. So while AFX does share the same "shell", it's an incorrect assumption to say it's the exact same helmet. There are many many factors that make up the overall product.

If you read through this, 509 really doesn't say much but do you really think there going to come right out and say there exactly the same, no. Of course there "different" if you consider the paint, interior color, padding color and the warranty 509 offers. They do admit that the shell is the same, so really what else is going to be that different???

It would be interesting for someone to take a 509 and AFX helmet completely apart, including cutting them half and finally put this debate to rest! Anyone interested???



Maybe what is under the shell? Foam density, etc.

Looks like that post said a lot. Life time warranty, SERVICE, small sled company that gives tons into the sport. I was at Hay Days this year and I lost track of how often 509 was replacing stuff people had or digging around to find something for a customer. Or even seeing a small scratch on something from packaging and telling the customer to wait a minute while they looked for something unmarred (or 10 miutes).

Good luck getting that from AFX!
 
Seems straight forward.

Basically the same chassis with different mods.


I'll take mine fully loaded please!

Basically your paying for the, paint, breath box, visor replacement, customer service, and what sounds like a different liner? Are they exactly the same, no, are the very similar, yes.

I still think it would be interesting for an independent test on the two and cut them apart and actually see what the differences are. Anyone interested in cutting there helmets up for the sake of research. ha ha !!

Irregardless my thoughts are buy what fits and feels good, what you can afford and what makes you happy, just as long as you wear the damn thing.
 
Maybe what is under the shell? Foam density, etc.

Looks like that post said a lot. Life time warranty, SERVICE, small sled company that gives tons into the sport. I was at Hay Days this year and I lost track of how often 509 was replacing stuff people had or digging around to find something for a customer. Or even seeing a small scratch on something from packaging and telling the customer to wait a minute while they looked for something unmarred (or 10 miutes).

Good luck getting that from AFX!

One thing is that the helmet is not carry a lifetime warranty it carries a lifetime visor replacement warranty.

Again, buy what ever you want, variety is the spice of life my friend. Personally, I would pass but that's me.
 
One thing is that the helmet is not carry a lifetime warranty it carries a lifetime visor replacement warranty.

Again, buy what ever you want, variety is the spice of life my friend. Personally, I would pass but that's me.

My bad I left visor out.


I dunno about you but I break the hell out of visors! Now if something else on the helmet goes, it most likely means I should be getting a new one for safety.
 
I dunno about you but I break the hell out of visors! Now if something else on the helmet goes, it most likely means I should be getting a new one for safety.


I'm of the same philosophy....if I have to replace the visor, and the helmet stinks and anything else is "showing character", it get a new one. I usually go about 4 or seasons on a helmet.

I'm currently starting season #5 (I think) on my ToBe. Broken visor and broken off top vents...and it stinks and the padding is quite dirty on the inside. I am ready to get a new one.
 
I'm of the same philosophy....if I have to replace the visor, and the helmet stinks and anything else is "showing character", it get a new one. I usually go about 4 or seasons on a helmet.

I'm currently starting season #5 (I think) on my ToBe. Broken visor and broken off top vents...and it stinks and the padding is quite dirty on the inside. I am ready to get a new one.

Scott, that Tobe sounds like it still has a lot of life left in it, don't throw it away, :face-icon-small-dis I could see rockin' the hillside wearing that, OK maybe not. :face-icon-small-ton

IMO, "buy the best and cry once" or in this economy " buy the best you can afford"
 
I've never thrown a helmet away. They go on the shop shelves when done.

I've heard others say cut the chinstraps on old helmets after they are retired...the plastic and foam don't last forever and they don't hold up after a certain # of years...I heard it was about 8 years or so.

I have every helmet I've owned from 1985 until now, except the open face metallic fleck green from about 1984. I think my parents threw that out in about 1995.

I did dig out my black open face this summer for gentle ATV rides. It's got two nice white mohawk racing stripes on it. Got that one in about 1985.
 
With a Helmet you are or should be buying fit. Everyone's head is different. I can find a bit later a study that was done on the safety of helmets. Basically the cheapest helmet they could buy actually did as good of and in some cases a better job protecting the brain. The more expensive helmets were more comfortable, had a better fit, better finish and protected against secondary injuries better. So basically the chin strap on cheap models caused minor abrasion and cuts on some impacts. Minor = no major medical attention needed.
 
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