400 miles on XP, belt fraying

[MARCUSO]

Just wondering what people have for experiences with returning belts that have chords coming out. I think 400 miles is a little early, for a normal sled to do this...I know, I know it's an XP.
I, when I went for my maiden trip, I voiced my concerns to my dealer, about the excessive belt heat. They said they are hot, but have not had any major problems with the belts failing.
When I brought my belt in just recently they said that for them to get me a new belt under warranty, they would have to find something wrong with the clutching.
Has enyone else had this runaround with the dealers? I know my clutches are operating freely.
I since did some of my own setups, and gearing setups, and the heat is drastically lower. I just want a new belt, that was ruined by the stock setup.

I understand that the dealers are forced to do this, but they are acting like they are on BRP's side. He told me that I can bring in the primary, and if they find something then I will get a new belt.
I think I am gonna bring it in and suggest they look for a sticky bushing I wonder if they will find it.....

Suggestions?

 

[MARCUSO]

toppers

 

[DWHalverson]

If your dealer is good to you I'm sure they will find a sticky bushing to warranty the belt , but Ski-Doo will probably need proof from the dealer that the bushing was bad. I don't know if Ski-Doo wants the warranty items back or not. They did years ago when we had some warranty tracks . When you did your own clutching that will more than likely be the dealer's excuse. I am sure the dealer is on Ski-Doos side and that's the bad part about it. This is why I generally try to run aftermarket belts with a warranty I have more control over.

Good luck.

 

[Idaho Slim]

Marcuso, Here are my suggestions that I have posted previously, as of the end of this season, 5 XP's (both 08's & 09's) we have had Zero premature belt failures:

08/154 = 1400 miles - (Blew belt @ 1300 miles)
08/146 = 1300 miles - Changed belt just for better perfomance, still use it for limp-out belt)
08/154 = 1700 miles - (still on original 377 belt)
08/154 = 700 miles
09/163 = 500 miles


#1. BELT Issues: IMHO the biggest issue is how you break it in and SECONDARY adjustment. Before the first ride, took both sets of belts and scrubbed them down in soapy water and dried overnight. First ride BABIED the throttle for the first 5 miles always feathering the rpm NEVER going over 7000 rpm - I believe this to be critical. Then we stopped for 10 minutes, opened the panels and let the clutches kool off. Then we went another 5 miles, and feathered up to 8000 rpm, again NEVER pinning it. Again, stopped after another 5 miles, adjusted secodary if needed, opened panels and waited 10 minutes. Last 5 miles (to 15 now), we would pin it for 3 - 4 seconds and keep feathering the thriottle, stop open panels, adjust and kool off, after that ........ Rode it like a $1000 hooker. On the way out on the first ride, we swapped belts to the new one and repeated the process on the way out. I know 140 miles is not alot to brag about belt wear, but I was full throttle for 1 FULL miles at 90 mph after this break in and the belt looks PERFECT.

#2 Along with the break in above, Attention the new secondary is paramount. Yes it might be a PITA, but there are some things that are a MUST for your belt. Always ensure your belt deflection is set at the top of the cord even with the top of the sheave (top of the notch bottom). If the sled feels like its dragging you down, STOP! and check your primary, you will see a black mark in the center, ADJUST the seconday to as stated above. Another point, the plastic center nut needs attention almost each time you stop for awhile, Again, this is an issue, but you can over come it by just being proactive and checking it and adjusting it. We found we were not tightening the center fitting enuf, (but don't CRANK it down!) and the belt deflection would change as we rode, hence, belt would wear bad, adjusted it, and walla issue gone.

#3. Yes you need some type of clutch side venting. Clutch venting is a must. Call 2Coolairvents. We also drilled (7) 1/2 inch holes at the foot rest spot in the panels to exit hot air, and of course you must remove that damn clutch cover plastic piece of garbage.

#4. Gearing change will help also. For the 146 - I recommend a 21 top gear. 154 a 20 top gear. Leave the 163 as is. (2) of the 154's are being ridden by 210-240 lb doods WITHOUT a gear swap, and they have no issues either.

#5. IMO you are going to need to put BACK in the 2 gms of primary pin weight DOO had your dealers take out.

Hope this helps you.

 

[snowmobiler]

Suggestions?

buy a new belt?

 

[Blu Du]

i blew 3 belts and my dealer would do nothing for me. took it to another dealer and he said the bushings were sticky and gave me 3 new belts

 

[portgrinder]

500km on my 09 since march. belt looks spiffy. Motor Tech in Golden set it up.

 

[summitking]

1850 km before my first belt let go. Give dale At h20 a call and get his clutch setup it will solve all your belt issues

 

[MARCUSO]

Belt looked perfect at 400 MILES too., then at 450 it showed a small chord. Cut it, rode it down the trail back to truck, then a larger chord.
Did my latest setup, (gearing, clutching) and belt temps are 25 deg. lower. (Laser thermometer)

not looking for a setup, thanks, just looking for what your dealers have fed ya.

Give dale At h20 a call and get his clutch setup it will solve all your belt issues/QUOTE]

You mean the guy who was closed at 4:59 P.M. ,but still there ,and wouldn't help me out in a pinch, but rather yelled through the glass that he was closed? No thankya.. LOL

 

[portgrinder]

Give dale At h20 a call and get his clutch setup it will solve all your belt issues/QUOTE]

That guy's first answer is why he can't, not why he can.

After a little reverse trick on my 06, I had a cord showing. Ripped er out all the way around and ran it for the rest of the year. Seemed ok?

 

[MtnMaster]

ran a DJ's clutch kit, and a 19t top gear since day one, on my '08. Blew a 166 belt within 200 kms. Bought a Ultimax XS belt, ran it for a 1000 km (deep snow) changed it, just for good measure..... This year, bought a 377, lasted 2 rides.... Replaced it with another Ultimax XS, haven't had an issue since.... I still think the issue is BRP's crappy belts, because the XS is holding up fine...

 

[Reeb]

The belt is coming out of your dealers pocket. Not BRP. And unless there is a problem with the primary(yes those darn sticky bushings) BRP is not going good for any belts. Hell I had a tundra 300 go through a belt in 100km's and although engine alignment was out by a mile, BRP wouldn't credit me for the belt. Take the sled in and get them to check alignment as per the new dimensions.....all of our belt related issues are now gone. This, as well as some clutching, gearing, and venting......Some sleds had no issues....some needed all of this and the alignment before the belts lasted more than 1000km's.

 

[SilverGriz]

ran a DJ's clutch kit, and a 19t top gear since day one, on my '08. Blew a 166 belt within 200 kms. Bought a Ultimax XS belt, ran it for a 1000 km (deep snow) changed it, just for good measure..... This year, bought a 377, lasted 2 rides.... Replaced it with another Ultimax XS, haven't had an issue since.... I still think the issue is BRP's crappy belts, because the XS is holding up fine...

What is the Ultimax XS part number? I have done many things with my clutching/venting and still can't seem to get over 500 miles on the 377.

 

[ADRENALINE]

All I know is heat kills, my buddy had problems 1/2 year until he got it clutched right by the dealer, realligned and add side panel vents....800 miles on his with no issues.

 

[snowmobiler]

am i the only one that read the first post.LOL

 

[deaner]

Hey Mark. I got the same run around from my dealer and I have a great relationship with them. They said the only thing they could do is get me to bring the sled in so they could check everything out on the clutches. If they found anything, they said they would warranty the belt. Took the sled in and they said my secondary was out of phase, and clutches were out of alignment. Fixed it under warranty and warrantied my belt.

 

[MARCUSO]

am i the only one that read the first post.LOL

Ya and you still answered like a fugtard.

Thanks for all the info guys, I am just getting info as to what to expect.

I was unaware of the new 'dimensions'... gonna inquire. Thanks Reeb.

 

[Reeb]

Well not NEW. I wrote it improper. They came out WITH dimensions. Instead of us guessing, they published numbers. '09's are as bad as many '08's. They all need to be checked. One sled might not last a few hundred km. Some are on their first belt still.

 

[snowmobiler]

might seem like it to some.LOL.to me there like tires i smoke em,i buy em.