2010 D8 & PCV-worth it???

[Stumpgrinder]

I picked up a new '10 D8 this spring and was wondering which is the best way to go. Most of the issues with mapping are "supposed" to be taken care of for the '10 but... Do I leave almost everything stock and take advantage of the warranty? Or do I put a PCV on and prevent any damage that may happen while it could be under warranty but not show its face til later? I dont put on a ton of miles in a years time (1000 or so) and im not sure when or if problems would arise.

Also, what are the must do mods to this sled (i came from an edge chassis) keeping the warranty valid if needed or whats the all out not caring about the warranty? I ride both climbing and boondocking, probably more trees than anything. Does the PCV void all warranty on the machine, or just the motor? Sorry if these are dumb ?'s or have been answered somewhere already. Thanks for any info or insight!

 

[Dazzler]

I have two 09 D8's, 163 & 155, I had to install the PCV on the 163, the 155 run great without. If you have not put any miles on it, I personally would not modify too much just yet and that being said, the 2010 D8's I ran into last winter (no 2010's in our group) ran very well. All they claimed they had done to them was slp can (only exhaust upgrade allowed) some venting and clutch work. A PCV does not really void warranty as you can remove it before you take it for warranty work. If you modify the air box or remove the foam from the underside of hood for an after market pipe your warranty is void. There are some very good threads (I think it's called increasing your IQ)on clutch setups etc. put together by some very sharp tuners that you may want check out. Hope this helps!

 

[theshadowrider]

All they claimed they had done to them was slp can (only exhaust upgrade allowed) some venting and clutch work.

Depends on who your dealer is. I run an slp pipe and can and all my warranty issues have been taken care of including a complete motor rebuild. My dealer will warranty everything with most mods up to and including nitrous if they are the ones who installed it is what they told me.

 

[Dazzler]

Depends on who your dealer is. I run an slp pipe and can and all my warranty issues have been taken care of including a complete motor rebuild. My dealer will warranty everything with most mods up to and including nitrous if they are the ones who installed it is what they told me.

So will my dealer, other than they have to submit a picture of the engine compartment including the underside of the hood to Polaris for motor failure warranty claims.

 

[Stumpgrinder]

Hey thanks guys, I dont really have a "good" dealer that I deal with, willing to take suggestions. Most of them around here (central mn) are bigger and are all about numbers not customer service from what I've seen and dealt with. So with that said, if I put a PCV on, it should take care of any motor issues, right? But if for some dumb reason the motor were to go down, hopefully not, is there any evidence of a PCV being on it to void warranty if it is removed before taking it in?
As far as other mods, I dont think I would go much further than a can, clutching, and some venting which should be fine under warranty right?

 

[Dazzler]

Hey thanks guys, I dont really have a "good" dealer that I deal with, willing to take suggestions. Most of them around here (central mn) are bigger and are all about numbers not customer service from what I've seen and dealt with. So with that said, if I put a PCV on, it should take care of any motor issues, right? But if for some dumb reason the motor were to go down, hopefully not, is there any evidence of a PCV being on it to void warranty if it is removed before taking it in?
As far as other mods, I dont think I would go much further than a can, clutching, and some venting which should be fine under warranty right?

No the PCV can be easily removed, there are a couple of velcro strips to hold the controller to the air box that I did not use, I used a couple zipties on mine to secure it. PCV, venting and proper clutching for your riding area/elevation, your D8 will work well. Did you get a chance to check out the sticky "increasing your IQ" in this section? There is some good info, TPS settings etc. There was a number of D8's with improper TPS settings, 08's and 09's, I assume quality control improved at Polaris with the 10's as my local dealer was checking all machines before they went out the door and all 2010's were good. The main thing that will avoid warranty as I mentioned earlier, is after market pipe and modded air box. One other thing is, check and make sure the gasket around the headlight is sealing properly, and I used tape to cover the head light adjuster on the dash to avoid snow dust injestion into the air box. An after market supplier may have something a little nicer than tape. Hope this helps. Now if it would just snow!!!!

 

[R44guy]

PCV is the Answer

As long as you remove the PCV for any warranty isssues with the velcro you will not have any warranty issues period unless you F up and tell the dealer.

The PCV made a huge change in my sled! From the 1st day I picked up my 09 D8 it chugged, farted, burped, and puked at mid rpms unless I had the throtle pinned.

Needless to say there has been several new maps and updates since and to date the PCV has fixed 98% of the sleds out there who have had the newer (VR) Voltage Regs. replaced and supposively most of the 09's have the updated VR's?

I can tell you this has been the best money I have spent on my RMK 800 Dragon. Good luck and if you need a PCV look up dynotech Jim he will set you up if you decide to get a PCV.

 

[Texasron]

I'm on the fence of buyimg a d8, is the new map "THE FIX"? Are the numbers of PCV same as Polaris's NEW MAP. I'm 68 and don't want to go through all this crap I've been reading for 2 -3 years. Should I buy a 700 RMK?

 

[thefullmonte]

I'm on the fence of buyimg a d8, is the new map "THE FIX"? Are the numbers of PCV same as Polaris's NEW MAP. I'm 68 and don't want to go through all this crap I've been reading for 2 -3 years. Should I buy a 700 RMK?

It's good that you have been paying attention. You have plenty of reasons to be gun shy with the 800. The PCV still modify's the the current Polaris mapping. I don't think Polaris has a "fix". They have many different maps, but it seems like different sleds all react differently to the maps. So it isn't a one size fits all situation. The PCV is a must for these as they can map around the problem areas. If it was me, I would look more closely at the 700 though.

Stumpgrinder, I wish I could recommend a dealer for you, but a good one is hard to find in MN for some reason. I would add the PCV to the sled right away. You are much less likely to have any motor related issues with one added than without. Plus it gives more performance gain than a pipe.

 

[diamonddave]

The short answer is ride it first a couple times. If runnability issues exist then buy it. If it were me, I'd buy one anyway. They take 2-3 minutes to install and or remove and make the sled run like it should. I mean really run like it should. EGT's are a big help if you want to adjust SLP's map in the PCV. On mine (09 with the first 2010 map) the SLP map is very safe.

Vents, as many as you can. SLP can only (not a pipe) to retain warranty however, the pipe and can is a huge improvement.

Carls Cycle clutching is very good especially their propritary cut helix. The stocker doesn't come close.

If you can afford it, a Camo track with the new available drivers would be a HUGE upgrade.

 

[Hbmtr]

Just let me say that I have no issues with my 09 dragon,when I first bought my sled even before riding it. I installed slp single pipe and can,force reeds(got smoking deal on them)slp high flow intake. Clutching from Carls secondaryhelix weights for the primary with stock spring. Sled pulls 8250 all day long even after 2 ring piston update. After reading all of the issues with runability and essentially patching the original ecu maps from Polaris with a fuel controller. Instead of taking time altering the fuel maps, why not take advantage of Carls or slp with there ecu remap and ignition curve setup. Yes you have to buy some porting and a head and run decent fuel but the responsibility is out of Polaris's hands and you don't have to tinker with a controller. I figure with the amount of time it takes to install ,down load a map or use a auto tune to get a proper baseline to work with, you could pay a little more get done right and go ride , which for me is the most important thing with my limited time. I am not sponsored by carls or slp but I have done lots of talking with both companies and IMO there is a partial solution to the 800 dilemma

 

[SledAddicts]

PCV and a map from Speed-Werx or Dynotech racing is the best bang for the buck and a very cheap mod overall with the best HP gain per dollar and per minute.

10 minutes or less to install the PCV.
Plug in computer upload new map and set TPS takes 1 minute and your ready to ride it.

I make mental notes on the trail about performance, air temp, rpm and throttle position. When I'd get home, I'd plug the computer in, add or remove fuel on the map, takes a minute or two tops. After a couple of rides I had my map setup to my satisfaction.

PCV is the easiest mod you can add to your sled, and even with a pipe Dynotech proved in their dyno runs the fuel controller still found HP which is a bonus.


IMO - These sleds have a number of design issues other than the stock ecu mapping. Cooling ability and the ECU enrichment modes make it difficult to make this engine run consistently in all conditions. If your concerned about keeping your sled running in the 155+HP range with all stock components then you'll tinker with your maps all the time.

I think the "EPA" actuator controlled power valves are not consistently opening the valves when they need to be and its locking in heat contributing to the other heating issues on these sleds. Better cooling in the head with additional cooling capacity in the tunnel would be a huge help in keeping the sleds running temps down on the trail. I'm convinced the engines ECU has enrichment modes when the outside temps are around 0 Celsius or 15+ Celsius the ECU either richens or leans considerably. I have to run cold weather maps from DEC to March and warm weather maps for April to May spring riding (You can store 2 maps on the PCV at the same time and switch on the fly with a simple switch).

 

[diamonddave]

Just let me say that I have no issues with my 09 dragon,when I first bought my sled even before riding it. I installed slp single pipe and can,force reeds(got smoking deal on them)slp high flow intake. Clutching from Carls secondaryhelix weights for the primary with stock spring. Sled pulls 8250 all day long even after 2 ring piston update. After reading all of the issues with runability and essentially patching the original ecu maps from Polaris with a fuel controller. Instead of taking time altering the fuel maps, why not take advantage of Carls or slp with there ecu remap and ignition curve setup. Yes you have to buy some porting and a head and run decent fuel but the responsibility is out of Polaris's hands and you don't have to tinker with a controller. I figure with the amount of time it takes to install ,down load a map or use a auto tune to get a proper baseline to work with, you could pay a little more get done right and go ride , which for me is the most important thing with my limited time. I am not sponsored by carls or slp but I have done lots of talking with both companies and IMO there is a partial solution to the 800 dilemma

True however, the porting and reflash package is alot more expensive and completely wipes out any warranty. Now if you're out of warranty and already have the pipe, then the porting and ECU reflash would be an excellent choice. The original poster was asking about a 2010 which probably still has factory warranty, maybe. A little easier to remove a pipe and PCV. Reflash goes into the Polaris Database and voids warranty.

 

[Stumpgrinder]

Thanks everyone for your input, it really is appreciated and all taken into consideration.

I do have warranty til April '11 which brought up my original question, "what will void warranty?" What I've gotten so far is a PCV will not void as long as all evidence, velcroe etc, of it once being there is gone before taken in for service, correct? Same goes for a can? Pipe? I'm not into porting or any other internal motor mods so I'm not worried about that.
I just wasnt sure how far I could go without sacrificing warranty. If most of all the above listed mods, especially the PCV, were to take care of any possible motor concerns, I would do it without a doubt and not care about warranty. But what I gather is the PCV can be "hidden", so it seems like a no brainer, right?

 

[edgexcsp]

Best place to purchase a PCV?

 

[Super B]

I am in the process of boosting my '09 D8 and I will have a PCV for sale. PM me if interested.

 

[gcmci]

Best place to purchase a PCV?

From me $310.00 shipped in the states with slp's map or the otherguys map

 

[jrcactus]

I just installed mine last night and it was a breeze, I dont mean to highjack a thread but where can I get some maps for higher elevations?
I have joined Dynotech and got there maps but they are seem to be set up for below 6000 ft.
I dont mind paying for a site as long as they can custom make a map for me and set it up for my elevation.

BTW I even heard a huge difference even in sound with the map that I installed.