2009 yamahas, another dead end year

[TheHoneyBadger]

it was another boring uneventful year for yamaha, there so worried about getting the word out about how much better 4 strokes are than 2 strokes that they forgot to make any changes to this years lineup. Maybe they should start trying to figure out how to loose weight on there sleds and make decent upgrades from year to year instead of bashing all the 2 stroke companies.

 

[DARKO]

LOL, here comes another great thread on SW

LMAO

 

[up-high]

That's impressive English right there! I got popcorn, can someone grab me a beer?(light please. This could take a while)

 

[AkHockey10]

That's impressive English right there! I got popcorn, can someone grab me a beer?(light please. This could take a while)

uhhhh how 'bout an Apple Juice?....its better for ya!

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Edited as offending post removed

 

[up-high]

good spelling though, why do you care, you ride a doo

Same question right back at you?

 

[DARKO]

Same question right back at you?

That would be common sense, and we know thats sure not common around here since the new 4M.

 

[johnny be bad]

LOL, here comes another great thread on SW

LMAO

wheres pinnedunderdoo#3? seems to be mia, wonder why? lol

 

[BigFish BC]

i have nothing important to add to this thread.

 

[Red Dog]

I doono maybe give the kid a break or clue, he's probally never been to the High Country. Cheers Red Dog

 

[Mafesto]

I'm not bashing, 'cuz yami has a great product........but..............
I certainly expected some weight loss.
So with that said, they didn't meet my expectations.

 

[johnny be bad]

I'm not bashing, 'cuz yami has a great product........but..............
I certainly expected some weight loss.
So with that said, they didn't meet my expectations.

2009 yamaha snow line up? BNG! pretty sad.

 

[WFO or go home]

Just like the other manufacturers they are close but no cigar.

Give me an XTX with a 162" track and then we'll talk. And PLEASE don't use a Maverick track.

 

[IMSICK]

Correct me if I'm wrong..... but isn't the whole idea behind advertising to offer information about your product to the consumer by indirectly casting a shadow on your competitors?

You say they have made no improvements..... Why would they? If Yamaha is selling their product the way it sits, why not leave it the way it sits... for the most part. Maybe they are using another year for R&D while leaving current reliability where it stands.

Personally..... I'd be the same way. Why change your developed product to compete with a test product. One would have to assume that if the Doo 4 strrokes work, show reliability, are lighter and show the potential to take the 4 stroke market, then logically, that should initiate the release of "improvements". Until then.... whats the point.

2 stroke vs 4 stroke is a personal choise. Yamaha jumped on the 4 stroke push..... of course they are going to promote a 4 stroke advantage.

 

[Mafesto]

Correct me if I'm wrong..... but isn't the whole idea behind advertising to offer information about your product to the consumer by indirectly casting a shadow on your competitors?

You say they have made no improvements..... Why would they? If Yamaha is selling their product the way it sits, why not leave it the way it sits... for the most part. Maybe they are using another year for R&D while leaving current reliability where it stands.

Personally..... I'd be the same way. Why change your developed product to compete with a test product. One would have to assume that if the Doo 4 strrokes work, show reliability, are lighter and show the potential to take the 4 stroke market, then logically, that should initiate the release of "improvements". Until then.... whats the point.

2 stroke vs 4 stroke is a personal choise. Yamaha jumped on the 4 stroke push..... of course they are going to promote a 4 stroke advantage.

That philosophy assumes all customers are decided 4 stroke or 2 stroke.
That's not the case.
Yamaha needs to continue to pick off 2 cycle customers.
Well, what is the hesitation 99% of the time? Weight!
Like any diet, the first 10 pounds are VERY EASY to shed with minimal effort.
Yamaha could have easily made the minimal effort required to dump 10 pounds.
That would have made their advertising agency's job very easy.

In the auto industry, how many vehicles are sold with a selling point like.........
"It's the same as last year!!!"
Yea, there's a motto for ya alright!

There is one positive though, they did not hurt current owners by obsoleting their machines!

 

[IMSICK]

agree with you Mafesto..... to a certain extent. Does Yamaha intend to lure the 2 stroke riders over their way, or is the plan to tweek and optimize their 4 stroke line up with the assumption that 2 strokes are a dying breed? Make no mistake.... I am not saying that 2 strokes are going away, but can we say they are staying? Sure, boost kits are expensive, but like anything, when the market is flooded because every manufacturer has their 4 stroke out, and performance companies are fighting each other for the market, the price will come down.

I'm just looking at it from the angle of "perfect" your base model while others are still developing. Then when competition demands a better product, put the fat girl on the diet and offer the 4 stroke buyers who are on the fence a shiny new toy.

On the other side.... I understand exactly what you are saying.... for those who aren't looking to boost yet, no weight reduction is a reason for 2 strokers to stay with and wait or buy a new 2 stroke.

 

[Rioplay]

I believe that once the numbers for sled sales come out this year there are going to be some big numbers for Yamaha because of the Nytro. Does that mean that they should just sit back.....no but one more year to ride the wave is not uncommon.

Lets not forget the Phaser last year and the Nytro this year, so for Yamaha that is not bad. I think next year will bring a change to the Apex.

Never before have I seen so many Yamaha's in the mountains, and yes they are greatly out numbered by the other three but they are making progress. I always have people asking me questions about my sled in the way of weight and ride quality. There are many people asking the questions I really feel that they are on the fence and thinking about going four stroke.

I can not speak for anyone else but it is the best move I ever made.

 

[Luke The Drifter]

uhhhh how 'bout an Apple Juice?....its better for ya!

What are we? In 7th grade? Oh wait, this is snowest a lot of people on here act like it...

Oh and 4 strokes and 2 strokes both have pros and cons, choose what feels best to you.

 

[BigFish BC]

2009 yamaha snow line up? BNG! pretty sad.

this coming from a doo owner you getting one of those pretty sky blue ones.

 

[McLovin]

Why add/change models every year? Auto manufactures dont do it and they still struggle to make profit. Maybe this is a good move and could help keep the cost down for us?!?! Just an idea how long did they keep the gen 2 dodges around-that was a 5 year run- the newer 3rd gens are going even longer. Get off your high horse and ride what you got, Im not made of money to buy a new sled every year so whats it matter anyways.