2009 to 2010 Conversion

[justinkredible56]

Hey I'm trying to decide on whether to buy a new 2009 nytro with a 4 year warranty for 7800 or to get a 2010 for 10500(not sure about the 4 year warranty). So I was wondering what exactly was changed on the 2010 and how would I "convert" the 09 to the 2010 model. Here's what i've figured out so far.

The rear suspension is obviously different- going with a Timbersled for $1550(-30 lbs)+150 (-8 lbs)for required drop bracket. I'm assuming that this fixes the track approach angle?

The tunnel extension is tipped up more aggressively-Would that be fixed just by purchasing a different tunnel extension? I plan on going out to a 162 anyways.

Not worried about the track because it's junk anyways.

The FXG2 suspension doesn't really interest me just the fox shocks. -$600 (-6 lbs)

What I'm worried about is if A: I can't fix the tunnel by buying a cheap tunnel extension and B: If the 2010 got a D&R from the factory compared to the 2009.

I could care less about handwarmers...a good pair of gloves is cheaper.

So if I have everything accounted for we get 7800 for the sled+1700(rear suspension)+250 (different tunnel extension)+600 (fox floats)= $10,350 and 44 pounds less. Along with a 4 year warranty.

Versus the 2010's 21 pound weight loss, not sure about 4 year warranty.

Looks better on paper but what am I missing?

 

[throttlecable]

The 21lb weight loss for 2010 is more like 12lbs,(never believe factory hype in the preseason) so you will lose a whole lot more weight with aftermarket additions to the 2009. No drop n roll for 2010, the improved approach angle is a result of the rear skid/tunnel improvements. I also bought the 2009 MTX and made the changes to the front and rear susp. for less money and less weight than the 2010.

 

[stuck a lot]

I too have a 09 MTX. You are being too safe with your cost estimates. If you spend more than $1200 for the timbersled, you paid to much. I got a set of Float X's for $650 and a New Chalenger Extreme track $225. I used the Skinz bumper kit and it turned out very nice.

I would defenately get the 09. Especially sinse you are already planning on scrapping the skid.

Good Luck!

 

[NytroMTXJoe]

I think you are looking at quite a bit less weight for the 2009 + your modifications vs. the 2010 SE.

One thing to add - Better Boards ($235), Snow Eliminators ($129), or another similar product.

The 2009 boards don't really let any snow through so this seems like a priority modification.

The 2010 boards look like they are a big improvement over the 2008 -2009 models'. That being said, the 2010 stock boards still don't seem like they could stay as clear as the aftermarket solutions.

Also - the 2010 still comes with a Maverick track. This version is better than the old piece of junk that came on the older Nytros .

I recently posted a question regarding the "new and improved" Maverick track. Sounds like it is OK at best - not nearly as good as the Challenger Extreme or some of the other tracks out there.

So, taking a 2009 and making your changes plus having a better track seems like the way to go.

If you have an extra $135 in your budget you can eliminate another 10lbs by replacing the stock battery with a Yuasa YTZ10S battery.

 

[DooTraxx]

Does adding a Timbersled rear suspension with Ice Age Rails on an 08 or 09 actually give you an 18 degree attack angle like on the 2010?

 

[oliver]

Oliver

Do make sure you get the extended warrentee, all I have is an 2008 that is a basket case because Yamaha won't step up and take care of a bad motor. They told me mine was just a bad one and it was out of warrentee tough luck they said. Now I have 3 years left on the payment book and a pile of Yamaha parts.
I just herd of a guy that bought a new 2009 Nytro in ND. for $6,500.00 so shop around.

 

[marcush]

just wondering if the spindles and a arms are the same 09 to 10 ??

 

[XtremeSpeedShop]

I would upgrade a 09 , thats what Im doing. That being said the 10 comes with alot of nice parts and the front is wider also, which I like alot.

 

[justinkredible56]

just wondering if the spindles and a arms are the same 09 to 10 ??

I believe they are different, correct me if im wrong (You can't look at the 2010 SE specs on yamaha's site anymore) but I would think they would have to be different to fit the wider ski stance and they dropped some weight.

 

[justinkredible56]

Does adding a Timbersled rear suspension with Ice Age Rails on an 08 or 09 actually give you an 18 degree attack angle like on the 2010?

I was wondering the same thing...this is a pretty big deal. I wouldn't think the ice age rails would make much of a difference in approach angle. But the Timbersled suspension should change it hopefully to a better approach angle than the 2010 oem rails.

 

[tranquillicer]

Changes

I have an '08 that has been a work in progress for 2yrs now. Some of the best improvements are: WRP boards,Hartman tunnel ext.,WildChild strg relocate,Timbersled skid, Fox Floats on the front,Simmons Gen1 skiis and a few others but the one thing that will be in your face everyday in the mts is the misserable lack of power at higher elevations. The fix for that is the same price for the '09 as the 2010 though so my vote goes for the '09

 

[M5-]

Does adding a Timbersled rear suspension with Ice Age Rails on an 08 or 09 actually give you an 18 degree attack angle like on the 2010?

It can depending on what rail profile and track combo you choose. Just phone me I know this stuff. LOL


M5

 

[justinkredible56]

My 2003 summit 800 H.O. was just under 510 pounds and had around 137 horsepower and I loved the sled, so I figure I'll be alright with a NA 4 stroke. I promised myself after hauling 3 out of my 4 sleds out of the canyon with blown motors that I wouldn't modify the next sled I bought, keep it stock and reliable. But if Yamaha realized there was an issue with the rear skid and fixed it, and a problem with the track and "tried" to fix it, if I bought an 09' I would do those "updates" myself but the correct way!

 

[justinkredible56]

It can depending on what rail profile and track combo you choose. Just phone me I know this stuff. LOL


M5

Hey bud PM me your phone number if that's alright, I would definitely like to find out how I can make that approach angle as shallow as possible, and I already planned on putting a camoplast extreme on it.

 

[DooTraxx]

Does anyone make a complete aftermarket front suspension that changes the geometry to that of the 2010?

 

[TApeX_07]

fyi, the tunnel isnt kicked up at all. Its straight, the boards are at a different angle. 9* vs 11* I would get the 09 and do the updates... Im thinking I should have...........

 

[M5-]

Hey bud PM me your phone number if that's alright, I would definitely like to find out how I can make that approach angle as shallow as possible, and I already planned on putting a camoplast extreme on it.

I'll just post what I've done here. If you want to reduce the approach angle on the Nytro you really only have two options. In order to get less angle the skid has to either go up in the tunnel or go back in the tunnel. If you think about your limiter straps and how they work basically they change the approach angle. If you suck them all the way up less angle. The best sucess I've had with the Nytro is to put a 156 track on the sled and use a 153 Timbersled skid built for a Cat with Iceage rails. When you install the skid it gets mounted in the tunnel so the base of the sliders at the rail tips are in a perfect line with the outer circumference of the drivers. Thats as direct as you can get. The front arm on a Cat skid is longer than that on the stock Yami so it pushes the skid back as well without making the sleds too nose heavy. For 2010 the Yami skid is closer to the Cat design in geometry than the older 08 09 skids. If you wanted to do a less elegant solution you could just use a 156 and pull the yami skid back but in truth the Yami skid is a POS. If you want to go 162 order 159 Iceage rails etc etc, just don't go to crazy with the pullback or the sled will get nose heavy.


M5

 

[big_red1a]

track

a New Chalenger Extreme track $225.

Were did you get a new CE for that price?? what size?