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2007 Summit 800R Starving For Fuel???

I am looking for some help from those in the know. I just finished helping my nephew rebuild the 800R in his 2007 Summit Adrenaline 151. The engine is the updated engine with the "R" stamped on it. We have finished the re-assembly and install back into the sled and am now have some issues that are behaving like it is starving for fuel. It was rather difficult to start for the first time after the rebuild. We pulled and pulled on the rope for 20-30 pulls with no luck. We pulled the plugs to check for spark, all good there, it has great spark. We left the plugs out for a few more pulls till we could smell fuel in the plug holes. Re-installed the plugs pulled the rope once and away she went. It ran for maybe 3-4 mins and then just idled down and stalled much like when you run out of gas. It was getting late so we left it for a couple days and went back to it. When we did get back to the sled it fired right up on the second pull warmed up fine, then we took it out around the yard to make sure it would stay running. All seemed fine through the full range of the throttle and when we pulled back up to the shop and let off of the throttle it idled right down and stalled again.

That covers the problem. Now to give you a little insight as to what has been checked. When it was apart for the rebuild the carbs were opened up and cleaned. It has 480 jets in it that were removed and cleared. The pilots were also removed and cleared and the needle clip is set right in the middle, the pilot screws are set to 1 1/2 turns out, the slides were set according to the manual and synchronized with each other. The fuel line was disconnected and checked to be sure it was clear before re-assembly. The check valve on the gas tank was checked to be sure it was operational to allow the tank to breathe. The impulse line was removed from the engine and checked to be sure it was clear and re-installed. The intake boots and reeds are in great shape are from v-force.

I did some research on the forum thinking that it was maybe a weak fuel pump not being able to keep up in filling the carbs. From what I was able to find the fuel pump either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't work I read that the diaphragm is likely cracked and fuel will be leaking from it. The fuel pump on the sled is not leaking and does provide fuel but the sled just wants to stall out after a short running cycle.

I am at a loss at to what else to check to resolve this issue. If you have any ideas or know someone who does I would love to hear you suggestions.
 
Had the same thing happen to mine I sprayed starting fluid around the crank seal on the clutch side and it reved up but then acted like what you are describing crank seal need to be in good shape for proper vacume this is what happened to me hope it helps
 
I did think of that but I should have also mentioned in my description on the the rebuild and re-assembly that the cases wear split, the crank was checked for run out and phase, bearings repacked, seals looked perfect but were changed out for new ones anyway. So I am really at a loss for where to look to resolve it.
 
The TPS system needs to be reset after you've tinkered with the carb settings. It WILL cause idle issues if not in spec. Bring to dealer and have them check error codes too. Also, why so rich on the mains??? 470 is stock and the '07 has the richest needles of all so no need to jet up unless you're running a pipe.

Have FUN!

G MAN
 
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Stalling

Replace fuel pump and replace pilot jets with new? Fresh fuel?
 
The TPS system needs to be reset after you've tinkered with the carb settings. It WILL cause idle issues if not in spec. Bring to dealer and have them check error codes too. Also, why so rich on the mains??? 470 is stock and the '07 has the richest needles of all so no need to jet up unless you're running a pipe.

Have FUN!

G MAN

I have tried to do a bunch of research regarding the TPS and from what I can find guys are saying unless you are loosening or removing the TPS from the carbs you should be good to go. Am I mistaken? Taking it in to the stealer to be scanned and reset is a real pain and pricey.
It came to us with the 480's in it. We wanted to get it together and run it and then check the plugs and go from there. It does have a can but is running the stock pipe.
 
Replace fuel pump and replace pilot jets with new? Fresh fuel?

Why do you say to replace the fuel pump? I thought that the pump either works or it doesn't. From what I have read on them if the diaphram gets weak it will crack and fuel will leak out. Can a fuel pump still work but just be weak and not keep up??? If it is a weak fuel pump can I order an aftermarket pump or does it need to be a BRP part??
Pilot jets were removed and cleared but they are easy enough to replace if need be. All of the old fuel was removed and we have added fresh fuel.

I appreciate everyones ideas as I am really not to sure about where to go with it.
 
I have tried to do a bunch of research regarding the TPS and from what I can find guys are saying unless you are loosening or removing the TPS from the carbs you should be good to go. Am I mistaken? Taking it in to the stealer to be scanned and reset is a real pain and pricey.
It came to us with the 480's in it. We wanted to get it together and run it and then check the plugs and go from there. It does have a can but is running the stock pipe.

Well even if left connected, if you made adjustments that are out of the standard range then it will need to be reset - I can't tell you one way or the other but I can tell you a case of beer goes a long way at the dealer and that's exactly the problem I had with my '07 (after I'd taken up too much slack in my throttle cables).
As far as jetting, you typically do run one size richer mains for use with aggressive cans but the stock jetting is rich anyway so I'm right back at stock and it works excellent at elevation (4-8k feet). For really cold sea level riding and/or bad (high ethanol content) gas you might want 480's but not needed for mtn riding.

Have FUN!

G MAN
 
Thanks for the input G Man. I am to assume then that after you had them reset your TPS it ran fine?? I will give my local dealer a call and see what I can get done.
As soon as we can make it run long enough to actually go for a bit of a run I will read the plugs and adjust the jets according to what I find.
Thanks!
 
if you clean the pilots with a peace of wire you may have made it bigger very easy to do,see that ALOT.Cheers
 
i would take the fuel line off to the carbs.. hold the throttle wide open and give it a squirt of carb cleaner thru the carbs. ( that will make it start when you pull the rope ) then watch and see how much fuel comes out the line when you start it... you will know real qucik if your fuel pump is working or not.. if hardley any fuel comes out.. then take the line from the fuel pump to the tank off and see if you are getting gas from the tank to the pump.. by now you will know if the pump is bad or the filter in the tank is plugged.. when the fuel pump gets bad it will pump just alittle some times.. when you get this done come let us know whats up... then we will go from there....
 
i would take the fuel line off to the carbs.. hold the throttle wide open and give it a squirt of carb cleaner thru the carbs. ( that will make it start when you pull the rope ) then watch and see how much fuel comes out the line when you start it... you will know real qucik if your fuel pump is working or not.. if hardley any fuel comes out.. then take the line from the fuel pump to the tank off and see if you are getting gas from the tank to the pump.. by now you will know if the pump is bad or the filter in the tank is plugged.. when the fuel pump gets bad it will pump just alittle some times.. when you get this done come let us know whats up... then we will go from there....

I am going to try and get back at it on Saturday. I will give that all a try and see where it goes. Thanks!
 
Thanks for the input G Man. I am to assume then that after you had them reset your TPS it ran fine?? I will give my local dealer a call and see what I can get done.
As soon as we can make it run long enough to actually go for a bit of a run I will read the plugs and adjust the jets according to what I find.
Thanks!

Yup, ran like a champ after they reset the parameters.

Have FUN!

G
 
Well I couldn't wait till Saturday so we got out there tonight. We pulled the fuel line off the carbs put the line into a container then fired it up. The fuel supply was very poor. We the pulled the fuel line out of the tank to check the strainer all clear there. We then started into the fuel pump because thats all thats left. We got the fuel pump out with having to pull the engine. When we did get it out we noticed the the main fuel line feeding the fuel pump had a real severe kink in it from poor routing. I am almost certian that this is the cause of the poor fuel flow. While the pump was out we opened it up to check and be sure that it was all good in there. There was no problems in there so we re-assembled it and are now ready to re-install everything. We manually tested the fuel pump by putting the pick up in some fuel and sucking with a pulse on the impulse line and got a good fuel flow through the feed line to the carbs. Once we get it back together we will keep you posted but I'm pretty sure we found the problem.
 
if your still having problems call Kelsey at RK TEK.com or Big John at sledheads racing. they are both very knowledgeable about the 800R engines. both great to talk to.
 
ITS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!

Well guys thank you very much for all the help in working through this. We got everything back together today and the sled runs and stays running. It did turn out to be a kink in the main fuel line between the tank and the fuel pump. The factory routing is not the best and tends to kink close to the fuel pump.
Thanks again!!!
 
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