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2 Important Avy MYTHS! (As posted in General, but good for here)

Thunderstruck

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Over the years I have attended 4 or 5 avy classes. I sit on the avy Center's websites and study photos and stories. I need to share these 3 stories that I was reminded of this weekend at the Avy Seminar in Lewistown, MT.

I wanted to post these 3 stories in particular after reading MtnDoos avy thread from last year. . .

MYTH #1: I ride out west but stay in the meadows. I cannot high mark because my sled is not powerful enough. I live in Minnesota and only ride in the mtns once a year. The meadows are safe...

TRUTH #1: In most instances, meadows are safe. 2 avy stories from recent years, one last year in Cooke City. Huge any propagated 1.4 miles across the top of the ridgeline. One smaller meadow, where a group had just had their lunch, was buried 13 feet deep with snow. (none of the sledders were buried, they had just moved) This meadow was over 1 mile from the trigger point of the slide but the slide ran right into the meadow, carrying almost 100 yeards onto the flats!!!! ALWAYS BE PREPARED. 5 years ago, BUCK CREEK, MT. Guys sitting in a meadow eating lunch, near a creek bottom. Slide occurs almost 1 mile away on a hill they cannot even see. Slide comes right down the creek bottom, blows out the sides and burys 2 people eating lunch. Crystal clear sunny day yet they did not even see it coming because the snow came over the bench above them into the creek bottom and meadow!!


MYTH #2: I do not need a beacon, probe, shovel, training, etc because our biggest hills where we ride are only 100 feet tall, we ride ditches, etc.

TRUTH #2: This was a cross country skier. He was tooling along a gulley about 30 feet deep. No hills in sight. Windloaded side of the ditch broke under his weight, tripped him, buried him face down in only 4 feet of snow. Feet were free. Died of suffocation because he WAS ALONE and felt there was no danger because of the terrain. I actually saw a slide about 4 feet deep at a highway maintenance station on the highway in Idaho. From a pile of gravel (probably 50 feet tall or so) that had about 2 feet of snow on it. A sled track looped up the gravel pile and broke off the slide right next to the highway! Wierd things can happen!

MAXIMIZE KNOWLEDGE, MINIMIZE RISK, PREPARE WITH AND KNOW YOUR EQUIPMENT!!


If this helps only one person on here that would be great. . .

JIM
 
Great information. With all of the early snow in the West, there is a good chance of building another icy layer on the north facing slopes if we get a period of warm weather in October/November. If this is the case, everyone will need to be on high alert, especially early in the season.

Also, one thing that I always see is guys trying to help their friend that is stuck in avalanche prone terrain. Over the past few years in Utah, several avalanche deaths were caused when someone was stuck and someone else came to help them, then triggered the slope when they turned out. You are usually better off letting them dig out on their own instead of putting extra weight on the slope above them...

Take advantage of the Avy Forecasts that are available for many areas!
http://utahavalanchecenter.org/
 
Excellent post! I think many of the avy's last year were a good example of just how things can go wrong, even in places you don't often see avalanche activity. You can never be too careful, that's for sure!
I think the other important thing to point out is that having a beacon, shovel, and probe DOESN'T mean that you can take more risks or give you any added safety! Knowledge and awareness of your surroundings are the ONLY tools that will help you stay safe.
 
Great Post! Myth #1 is all too common. I hear it almost daily.
ABSOLUTELY, Being one of those guys orginally from MN, and knowing a pile of guys that use that line to justify not droping a few hundred bucks, it drives me crazy. I now live in CO and get to ride the mountains a lot more and also have the opportunity to help educate the guys from back home when I ride with them.

NO EXCUSES, Get the gear, Take the classes, Practice with the gear, and USE YOUR HEAD.
 
Good Post. Being from MN and only getting out to Cooke once a year, I take an Avy class every year in my area just as a refresher course in the fall.
 
I've seen road banks load up and drop a LOT of snow...enough to suffocate. Probably even enough to really injure a body too.

Trails, road banks, creeks, "hills"...all of it CAN slide.

ANYTHING can slide.
 
yep. i knew that family. she was in her "cocktail dress" getting ready to have a dinner party. guests arrived, rang the doorbell. no answer. opened the door...music playing. looked around the house, no one. wife went into the bedroom/bathroom looking for her. husband went out back where the door was open. found a pile of snow with legs sticking out. she had gone out onto the back patio to knock off some icicles with a broom. unlucky.

WEAR A BEACON REGARDLESS!! YOU may save someone else's life one day! it is like learning CPR.......which you do for everyone ELSE, not you. be a responsible "citizen" of our riding community.
 
Good topic
The one I used to hear often is "I dont climb the big hills like those thunderstruck guys"
It's a mistake to think a big steep hill is the one that will kill you

The other total myth is that video of the "Big Natural's, I heard it was something totally different :)
 
Myth Number #1= Red Meadows Lake Avalanche, Whitefish Montana...Avy Swept down the face of Red Meadow Peak, struck the people on the off side of the lake, and killed two in the debris that was being shot out of the lake...
 
Myth Number #1= Red Meadows Lake Avalanche, Whitefish Montana...Avy Swept down the face of Red Meadow Peak, struck the people on the off side of the lake, and killed two in the debris that was being shot out of the lake...

I think I saw pics of that....it was nasty.

Didn't the avy cause the lake to purge out on the other side and flood out everyone? I think they said they found fish on top the snow half mile down from the lake.
 
Great post Jim.

I really think it should be in the Avy section too.
I don't leave the UT section much cuz I'm so frightened (knee's trembling now).
But I do like to keep up on Avy threads.:p

Love to see eye opening post this time of year. Always the best time cuz we're all antsy to pin it and hit it without much thought. :rolleyes:
 
Where's Original Tetonice? This thread could turn into an epic one real quick!

The TS crew giving Avy advice on Snowest? :) Classic
 
Geesh!!!!!!!!!!!! Any advice is good advice. Live and learn right?? What's wrong with passing something on????????
 
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