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08 Duri MPG

Alright guys I have a 02 duri but a guy I ride with got an 08 and I hate that new motor with those dumb emmissions but we just took our first trip and pulling a 24ft trailer he got 9mpg and my 02 can do better so wondering what is the best with the 08 motor for mpg?? I've always been a Bullydog guy with a straight pipe:face-icon-small-hap so wide open to your advise!! Thanks guys
 
I have an 08 but haven't done a lot of pulling long enough to get an acurate mileage reading. I would recomend a dpf/cat/egr delete, efi live tune from like atp trucks, and an edge insight cs or cts moniter.
 
I've got an Edge CTS chip, DPF delete, and exhaust. I get about 10mpg towing anywhere between 4,000-10,000lbs. That's going between 75-85 mph. Empty I get on average, 14 around town. On the freeway without a load, I get about 17-18 mpg.
 
When I had my 08 I was getting 14 in town and between 19-20 on the highway. The best mileage I ever saw was 22 Flagstaff to Albuquerque. When I pulled my 27' enclosed trailer in "drive", I would get about 10 mpg and the it always liked to downshift and the engine ran hotter. I figured out to quit trying to pull like I was driving a cummins (1800 rpms) and start pulling in manual "5" (2200 rpms). Raising the rpms got me to 11 mpg and it never downshifted and the temps stayed down. My conclusion is that pulling under 2000 rpms was lugging the motor down and not running the sweet spot of the power.

My buddy has an 06 duramax and he get 14 in town and is lucky to break 17 mpg on the hiway empty. His truck also has the edge on it. Used to make him mad that my emission laden truck was getting better mileage.
 
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I have a 09 duramax with edge cs, dpf delete straight pipe and cold air. i get 19 highway with no load and with a enclosed with 4 sleds i get around 11. i noticed no matter what power level it dosnt like to hold 6th gear towing anything around 70mph with cruise on.
 
A buddy of mine bought a 2010 d Max and he bought a h&s black maxx with 5"single delete kit from me. He is seeing 20 MPG empty and 12 towing. These chips are by far the best ones on the market for deleting emisions and for your tranny also.
 
I guess the big question to the OP is "Do you want to void your wattanty"? Programmers are great but they may end up costing you a lot more than just the programmer itself.

Also, when you were calculating mileage, where you going by the computer or hand calculating? What size of tires is your buddy running? Oversized tires will throw the odometer off. What kind of tires is he running? Mud terrain tires have more rolling resistance and your mileage will suffer. There are all sorts of factors to consider when claiming one truck gets worse mileage than another.
 
The chip wont void your warranty but you want to pull it off if you take it to the dealer. Their diagnostic machines will show that things arent in spec and can reprogram your chip to factory specs.
 
The chip wont void your warranty but you want to pull it off if you take it to the dealer. Their diagnostic machines will show that things arent in spec and can reprogram your chip to factory specs.
I don't believe this statement to be 100% accurate, it depends on what you are claiming under warranty. Sure there is the magnusson-moss act to protect the consumer but if GM denies warranty is it up to the individual to prove them wrong and GM has way deeper pockets for lawyers than most of us have. It also depends on if your dealer is mod friendly or not.


This is from a GM factory bulletin.
#08-06-04-006G: Identifying Non-GM ECM Calibration Usages and Power-Up Hardware Detection for Duramax Diesel Engines-Photograph Tech 2 Calibration IDs and CVNs and Trans Data Screen Before Removing Engine/Trans - (Nov 9, 2009)

Subject: Information on Identifying Non-GM ECM Calibration Usages for Duramax™ Diesel Engines RPOs LBZ, LLY, LMM and Power-up Hardware Detection for Duramax™ Diesel Engine RPO LMM -- Photograph Tech 2® Calibration IDs and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVNs) and Transmission Data Screen Before Removing Engine/Transmission/Drivetrain Components
Models: 2005-2010 Chevrolet Express, Kodiak, Silverado
2005-2010 GMC Savana, Sierra, TopKick
Equipped With Duramax™ Diesel Engine RPOs LBZ, LLY, LMM
Please Refer to GMVIS
Attention: In order to process an engine/transmission/drivetrain hard part WARRANTY CLAIM, you MUST photograph the required Tech 2® screen information BEFORE disassembly or removing engine/transmission/drivetrain components from the vehicle.
This bulletin is being revised to add Tech 2® screen graphics and update the PQC and TAC contact procedure information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 08-06-04-006F (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).

General Motors is identifying an increasing number of engine, transmission, diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC) and exhaust particulate filter failures that are the result of non-GM ( aftermarket Power-up Kits ) engine and transmission control calibrations being used. When alteration to the GM-released engine or transmission control calibrations occurs, it subjects powertrain and driveline components such as the engine , transmission, transfer case, driveshaft and rear axle to stresses that were not tested by General Motors. It is because of these unknown stresses, and the potential to alter reliability, durability and emissions performance, that GM has adopted a policy to cancel any remaining warranty coverage to the powertrain and driveline components whenever the presence of a non-GM calibration is confirmed - even if the non-GM control module calibration is subsequently removed.

Warranty coverage is based on the equipment and calibrations that were released on the vehicle at time of first sale, or subsequently updated by GM or its dealers with approved calibrations. That’s because GM testing and validation matches the calibration to a host of criteria that is essential to assure reliability, durability and emissions performance over the life of the warranty coverage and beyond. Stresses resulting from calibrations different than those tested and released by GM can damage or weaken components, leading to poor performance and or shortened life. Additionally, non-GM issued engine control modifications do not meet the same emissions performance standards as GM issued calibrations. Depending on state statutes, individuals who install engine control module calibrations that put the vehicle outside the parameters of emissions certification standards may be subject to fines and/or penalties.

This bulletin outlines procedures to identify the presence of non-GM (aftermarket) calibrations. GM recommends performing this check whenever a hard part failure is seen on internal engine, transmission, transfer case or rear axle components, and before disassembly, repair or replacement of an engine, transmission, transfer case or rear axle assembly under warranty. It is also recommended that the engine calibration verification procedure be performed whenever diagnostics indicate that the diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC) needs replacement.

Note: BEFORE authorizing any Duramax™ diesel engine or transmission replacement, the PQC will require digital photographs of the following Tech 2® screens:

• For RPOs LLY and LBZ only: Calibration ID Numbers and Verification Numbers from the Vehicle Information screen
• For RPO LMM only: Calibration ID Numbers and Verification Numbers from the Vehicle Information AND the Programming History screen.
• For RPO LMM only: Transmission Data screen containing the Max Transmission Calc Engine Torque parameter.
Symptoms Caused by Aftermarket Power-up Kit

Some customers may have reprogrammed the engine control module (ECM) with a non-GM released calibration. The Power-Up Kit engine calibration changes fueling and timing parameters and likely contributes to the following vehicle conditions:

• Poor performance
• Driveability concerns
• Increased emissions
• Black smoke (This symptom is not valid for the Duramax™ diesel engine RPO LMM equipped with the exhaust particulate filter. The filter will trap black smoke unless it is cracked, melted or has been removed from the exhaust system.)
• Knocking noise
• Engine damage (Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 06-06-01-007C for additional information.)
2005-2007 RPO LLY and LBZ Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Numbers (CVNs) -- Power-up Kit Detection

Important: In order to process an engine/transmission/drivetrain WARRANTY CLAIM , you MUST photograph the required Tech 2® screen information BEFORE disassembly or removing the engine/transmission/drivetrain components from the vehicle.

Go to TIS2WEB
Select: Calibration Information (SPS Info)
Enter the VIN
Select: Get Cal ID
Select: ECM Engine Control Module
Select: Next
Select: Complete History
Print
Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2®
Plug in the Tech 2®
Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
Select: Powertrain
Select: Engine
*Select: Engine Control Module
*Select: Module ID Information or I/M Information System if Module ID Information selection is not available.
*If: I/M Information System was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select: Vehicle Information in order to display the calibration information.
*Steps may vary by engine controller.

Compare the Calibration ID and Calibration Verification Number (CVN) to the CVN shown on the TIS2WEB printout. Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it is the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. The CVNs should be the same.
⇒ If the CVN information is displayed as "N/A" , it will be necessary to contact the TCSC to obtain the CVN information.
⇒ If the part numbers match and ANY CVNs DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed.
⇒ If ALL of the CVNs are EXACTLY the same the calibration is GM issued.
Vehicle Information Screen




Take clear digital picture(s) of the Tech 2® Vehicle Information screen(s) showing the VIN, the Calibration IDs and the Verification Numbers. Retain the printout information and the Tech 2® screen photographs with the repair order.
18.1. E-mail copies of the digital pictures to tacsnapshot@gm.com. In the subject line of the E-mail include the phrase "Duramax™ diesel", the complete VIN and Dealer BAC. In the body of the E-mail include the VIN, mileage, R.O. number and BAC. Include a brief description of the customer concern and cause of the concern.
Note: The dealer will receive an email reply after the calibrations have been validated. The email reply will advise the dealer if the calibrations are OEM.
18.2. Allow two hours for the PQC to verify the calibrations and set up the case details.
⇒ If the PQC determines that the calibrations ARE aftermarket calibrations, DO NOT contact GM Technical Assistance to discuss warranty concerns on the aftermarket calibrations. ALL questions and concerns about warranty should be directed to the dealers Fixed Operations Manager (FOM), (Warranty Manager (WM) in Canada).
18.3. You may call the PQC two hours after submitting the required information for authorization to replace the assembly. This will provide them time to receive, review the information and set up a case on the request. Be prepared to provide all of the usual documentation that is normally required when requesting an assembly authorization from the PQC.
2007-2010 RPO LMM Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Numbers (CVNs) -- Power-up Kit Detection

Important: In order to process an engine/transmission/drivetrain WARRANTY CLAIM , you MUST photograph the required Tech 2® screen information BEFORE disassembly or removing the engine/transmission/drivetrain components from the vehicle.

For 2007-2010 applications, an engine control module (ECM) algorithm was implemented that records the engine calibration part number and calibration verification number (CVN) for the last 10 flash programming events. The ECM records the engine calibration part number because it contains the parameters for increasing torque and fueling rates.

If a vehicle comes in for service for a driveability/powertrain concern as a result of a Power-Up Kit installation, the dealership technician can read the last 10 engine calibration part numbers and CVN history using a Tech 2®.

The dealership technician will input each ECM calibration part number into the TIS2WEB/SPS CVN database to confirm the CVN history information. Refer to the following Tech 2® path table to verify the ECM calibrations.

Build the vehicle with the Tech 2®.
Select F0: Engine Control Module.
Select F5: Module Identification Information.
Select F1: Programming History.
Turn On the ignition, with the engine Off.
Press the ENTER Key to Continue.
Important: An original production engine operation part number programmed in the ECM from the supplier, which is the last part number shown, would not be in the TIS2WEB/SPS database.

Record the Calibration ID Numbers and Calibration Verification Numbers from the Tech 2® Programming History Screen. If the list of Calibration Part Numbers is less than 10, the first Calibration ID Number (bottom of the list) will not be in TIS2WEB/SPS CVN database. In this case, the first Calibration ID Number is programmed at the ECM production factory and is reprogrammed at the vehicle assembly plant.
From TIS2WEB/SPS, record the Calibration Part Number into the CVN Database. Get the CVN.
⇒ If the CVN DOES NOT MATCH the CVN database, an unauthorized engine calibration part WAS PROGRAMMED into the ECM.
⇒ If the CVN MATCHES the CVN database, the calibration/s are GM issued and an unauthorized engine calibration part WAS NOT used.
Programming History Screen




Take a clear digital picture of the Tech 2® Programming History screen showing the VIN, Calibration IDs and the CVNs. Retain the printout information and the Tech 2® screen photograph with the repair order.
Vehicle Information Screen




9.1. Take a clear digital picture of the Tech 2® Vehicle Information screen. Retain the printout information and the Tech 2® screen photograph with the repair order.
9.2. Take a clear digital picture of the Transmission Data screen that contains the Max Transmission Calc Engine Torque parameter. The path table is outlined in the following Instructions for Tech 2 Transmission Data Path section. Retain the Tech 2® Transmission Data screen photograph with the repair order.
9.3. E-mail copies of the digital pictures to tacsnapshot@gm.com. In the subject line of the E-mail include the phrase "Duramax™ diesel", the complete VIN and Dealer BAC. In the body of the E-mail include the VIN, mileage, R.O. number and BAC. Include a brief description of the customer concern and cause of the concern.
Note: The dealer will receive an email reply after the calibrations have been validated. The email reply will advise the dealer if the calibrations are OEM.
9.4. Allow two hours for the PQC to verify the calibrations and set up the case details.
⇒ If the PQC determines that the calibrations ARE aftermarket calibrations, DO NOT contact GM Technical Assistance to discuss warranty concerns on the aftermarket calibrations. ALL questions and concerns about warranty should be directed to the dealers Fixed Operations Manager (FOM), (Warranty Manager (WM) in Canada).
9.5. You may call the PQC two hours after submitting the required information for authorization to replace the assembly. This will provide them time to receive, review the information and set up a case on the request. Be prepared to provide all of the usual documentation that is normally required when requesting an assembly authorization from the PQC.
2007-2010 RPO LMM Instructions for Tech 2 Transmission Data Path -- Power-up Hardware Detection

Transmission Data ONLY Available With GMC Sierra, TopKick, Chevrolet Kodiak, Silverado

An example of this hardware is a propane injection system.

A transmission control module (TCM) algorithm has been implemented that records a maximum calculated input torque. This information is available via the Tech 2®.

Build the vehicle with the Tech 2®.
Select F3: Transmission Control Module
Select F1: Data Display
Select F0: Transmission Data
Highlight: Max Transmission Calc Engine Torque
Transmission Data Screen (Max. Trans Calc. Engine Torque Parameter)




Take a clear digital picture of the Tech 2® screen showing the Transmission Data and the Max Transmission Calc Engine Torque parameter.
Retain the Tech 2® Transmission Data screen photograph with the repair order.
Warranty Information

• The Dealership Service Management must be involved in any situation that would justify the use of labor operation Z1111.
• Notify the Fixed Operations Manager (FOM) (Warranty Manager (WM) in Canada) of the situation.
• All claims will have to be routed to the FOM (WM in Canada) for approval.
• Please refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 09-00-89-016, Labor Operation Z1111 - Suspected Tampering or Vehicle Modifications for important information.
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation

Description

Labor Time

Z1111

Suspected Tampering or Vehicle Modifications

0.2 hr
 
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Throttlejocky is correct. First thing the tech is going to do is check the calibration (torque into the transmission) if it doesn't match GM Spec. BYE BYE warranty. Then it's up to you to fight to get it back (if you have a leg to stand on). I watched a guy on Dieselplace drag his lawsuit out for close to a year, over a legit stock engine failure. Gm finally paid but who has a year to invest in that?

In the proper hands EFILIVE is hands down the best programing module for a 01-10' Duramax. H&S is the only programmer I know of for the 11-12' duramax.

Just remember guys you gotta pay to play. The free rides with warranty are over, to many abusers thrashing there stuff and expecting the manufacture to eat it. Big brother is going to be paying extra close attention to these race only dpf kits being sold. I hear in California soon a CHP officer will be able to pull you over and check for emissions equipment.
 
Throttlejocky is correct. First thing the tech is going to do is check the calibration (torque into the transmission) if it doesn't match GM Spec. BYE BYE warranty. Then it's up to you to fight to get it back (if you have a leg to stand on). I watched a guy on Dieselplace drag his lawsuit out for close to a year, over a legit stock engine failure. Gm finally paid but who has a year to invest in that?

In the proper hands EFILIVE is hands down the best programing module for a 01-10' Duramax. H&S is the only programmer I know of for the 11-12' duramax.

Just remember guys you gotta pay to play. The free rides with warranty are over, to many abusers thrashing there stuff and expecting the manufacture to eat it. Big brother is going to be paying extra close attention to these race only dpf kits being sold. I hear in California soon a CHP officer will be able to pull you over and check for emissions equipment.

^^^^
Yep, I was told that a dealer can check elevated boost levels as well. I wish someone could find a way to reset whatever stores this information. My '06 LBZ was a beast with a tuner and 4" turbo down (no cat) exhaust. It would smoke my new '11 Denali LML. But oh....the Denali rolls smooth!
 
You will see less motor problems caused by the dpf if you chip and delete them. I know chancing the warranty is tough but the reliability it way better after a little tweaking is done. Many dealers wont dig for chips if removed prior to taking in for warranty. If it is major failure which is highly doubtful then you might have issues. Me I say chip them all just my 2 cents.
 
You will see less motor problems caused by the dpf if you chip and delete them. I know chancing the warranty is tough but the reliability it way better after a little tweaking is done. Many dealers wont dig for chips if removed prior to taking in for warranty. If it is major failure which is highly doubtful then you might have issues. Me I say chip them all just my 2 cents.

Less motor problems? You won't have regen issues and your truck will breath better but how is that going to be less problems? One problem and you could be forking out thousands of dollars for diesel repairs. I can't chance it on a new truck. If I only had a year or so on the truck I'd do it. But I have 5 years/100K warranty. I'll hang on to 397hp for now.
 
You will see less motor problems caused by the dpf if you chip and delete them. I know chancing the warranty is tough but the reliability it way better after a little tweaking is done. Many dealers wont dig for chips if removed prior to taking in for warranty. If it is major failure which is highly doubtful then you might have issues. Me I say chip them all just my 2 cents.

Have you priced a brand new Duramax engine? 14,000$ ish Dealer pricing.

Your not following me, if it comes in for warranty (anything) the tech is to first hook up the Tech2 and check the engine calibrations FIRST. I know this because when we took my buddy's LMM in to have the tire air pressure sensors checked (with me sitting in the cab) he said holy smokes 898 ft lbs of torque. I said just a tow tune:face-icon-small-win. He informed me he has to check first.

I'm a huge fan of modding diesels but people need to understand the cost of these things, ULTRA EXPENSIVE. I can also do anything from build the engine, transmission or repair the high pressure common rail fuel system. Most people can't and will have to pay someone, price goes up from there.

I caution people when chipping or doing any mod, be ready to pay, because once you start you always a little more, just a little more...

Not bashing you, because I have the same sickness.:face-icon-small-hap
 
You are right its a sickness ha ha. I know I'm torn on my new Dodge because I have a H&S sitting here ready to go on. What do I do. That new Dodge motor is strong and the tranny is sick. I don't want this to get away from a d Max thread but yes you take that chance on loosing your warranty when Modding them so is it worth it probably not.
 
You are right its a sickness ha ha. I know I'm torn on my new Dodge because I have a H&S sitting here ready to go on. What do I do. That new Dodge motor is strong and the tranny is sick. I don't want this to get away from a d Max thread but yes you take that chance on loosing your warranty when Modding them so is it worth it probably not.

I did the same as BugIto, I rolled pretty stock for the length of my warranty (3-36K-100k on the engine). Once the bumper to bumper was done, all in baby. Knock on wood I haven't grenaded the stock bottom end yet, pretty sure its coming. But Im ready for it... I know how much it will cost, already have started getting parts a little at a time.

I spent a ton of time on the internet trolling the Duramax forums until I found one that fit me. I read & read & asked lots of stupid Noob questions until I had a good grasp on what my engine could & couldn't do. I have been pushing the envelope pretty hard the last couple years, so Im do for some carnage!

My freind has 11' LML that had a seal leaking on the front axle. He has a Edge Cs MONITOR (not programmer). He had his girl freind take the truck into the dealer while he was at work. They hooked up the tech2 and said his warranty was void & even put in the work order to gm that "customers truck was programmed and the warranty should be void". He went down the next day and asked for a explanation from the service manager. Manager said truck is programmed and showed him the tech2 printout showing 698 ft lbs of tq. Freind said well thats funny and pulled out the GM brochure on the truck stating it has 765 torque stock & then proceded to drag out the Edge paperwork & made the manager call edge.

Dealer had to submit a new work order stating there mistake and the warranty should not be voided.

All Im saying is be informed on your vehicle & the things you put on it/do to it. Just because you take it to a so called professional doesn't mean your getting "proffesional service".

Happy Modding all!:face-icon-small-ton
 
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My 08 straight piped with an EFI Live race tune and I just went on a 400 mile trip in one day averaged 70 mph and 19 mpg. I get closer to 14 towing our boat #7000 and don't really care because it will pass most sport tuners even when hooked to a load.
 
I did the same as BugIto, I rolled pretty stock for the length of my warranty (3-36K-100k on the engine). Once the bumper to bumper was done, all in baby. Knock on wood I haven't grenaded the stock bottom end yet, pretty sure its coming. But Im ready for it... I know how much it will cost, already have started getting parts a little at a time.

I spent a ton of time on the internet trolling the Duramax forums until I found one that fit me. I read & read & asked lots of stupid Noob questions until I had a good grasp on what my engine could & couldn't do. I have been pushing the envelope pretty hard the last couple years, so Im do for some carnage!

My freind has 11' LML that had a seal leaking on the front axle. He has a Edge Cs MONITOR (not programmer). He had his girl freind take the truck into the dealer while he was at work. They hooked up the tech2 and said his warranty was void & even put in the work order to gm that "customers truck was programmed and the warranty should be void". He went down the next day and asked for a explanation from the service manager. Manager said truck is programmed and showed him the tech2 printout showing 698 ft lbs of tq. Freind said well thats funny and pulled out the GM brochure on the truck stating it has 765 torque stock & then proceded to drag out the Edge paperwork & made the manager call edge.

Dealer had to submit a new work order stating there mistake and the warranty should not be voided.

All Im saying is be informed on your vehicle & the things you put on it/do to it. Just because you take it to a so called professional doesn't mean your getting "proffesional service".

Happy Modding all!:face-icon-small-ton


I know I went to our local dealer here for a recall I think it was on our late 07....I think they were disconnecting the heated washer fluid for the recall. I had the same edge monitor on the dash. Picked up the truck and a note on the bottom of the paperwork said "note performance enhancer installed" My wife had taken it in and did not notice this on the ticket. I went back in with the paperwork and box from the Edge monitor to talk to the shop manager. He claims this was not sent into anybody and would have no effect on any warranty....then said I should keep the box and information tho...he would not change anything on my work ticket...what a line of crap. I have 45000 miles on it now so bumper to bumper is gone and 5 year power train is about up. Now put a dpf delete turbo back exhaust on it with stealth 2 programmer. Using ecno dpf delete tune last week got 14 mpg towing 28 foot enclosed trailer and 4 sleds...yesterday had a 22.4 mpg best with a 21.7 average running empty on the highway for a 100 mile trip...this was all with winter blend fuel. Seems to be doing ok...
 
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I know I went to our local dealer here for a recall I think it was on our late 07....I think they were disconnecting the heated washer fluid for the recall. I had the same edge monitor on the dash. Picked up the truck and a note on the bottom of the paperwork said "note performance enhancer installed" My wife had taken it in and did not notice this on the ticket. I went back in with the paperwork and box from the Edge monitor to talk to the shop manager. He claims this was not sent into anybody and would have no effect on any warranty....then said I should keep the box and information tho...he would not change anything on my work ticket...what a line of crap. I have 45000 miles on it now so bumper to bumper is gone and 5 year power train is about up. Now put a dpf delete turbo back exhaust on it with stealth 2 programmer. Using ecno dpf delete tune last week got 14 mpg towing 28 foot enclosed trailer and 4 sleds...yesterday had a 22.4 mpg best with a 21.7 average running empty on the highway for a 100 mile trip...this was all with winter blend fuel. Seems to be doing ok...




Was it hand written on the receipt or typed if it is typed then GM knows about it and they will void your warranty. Does not matter what Edge says about the warranty they are not paying for the repairs on your truck. If it is out of warranty than it does not matter.
 
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