Well... Thanks to a great "Heads up" from Thu Man on the forums here... I gave Lord Adhesives a call
and talked to an application engineer for about 40 minutes.
Seems that there is an alternative to the 406-19GB.
I also found out why the 406-19GB has been so illusive for consumers to buy.
Heck... the Fusor products are avaiable through Amazon and Ebay too!
Price is similar for both products (406 compared to Fusor) in the 50 ml size... BUT the larger sizes of the adhesives... the 406 gets the nod for
price as large size in the Fusor is 225ml and the 406 is 375ml (over 50% more at the same price in the 406)
... both are in the $50 ballpark price in the larger sizes. They both use different plugers (4:1 compared to 2:1)
Most local body shop supply stores have or can get the Fusor products whereas the 406-19GB must be
ordered through an industrial supplier.
Lord also makes their Fusor Metal bonding adhesives that are Methacrillate composition.
It seems that the Fusor 108B/109B, 110B/111B, 112B/113B adhesives are for job shops
and the 400 series are intended for the OEM.
They both, 400 and Fusor series, share the same base Acrylic material..they both use the 400 series base...
but they have different catalysts.
Both are available in "GB" (glass bead) formulations so they are less prone to sagging... the Fusor is more consumer-friendly
in terms of having longer open-times to assemble the product... with the 112B/113B up to 70 min
It seems that the Fusor must have a good cleaning and wipe to it... where the 406 is more tollerant of mill oils
and residue on the surface of the metal.
I did find out from the application engineer at Lord that both are compatible with application on Powder coated items
and/or without abrasion BUT...both would benefit greatly from removal of the pow coat in the bond area and abrasion.
See this link for the package of the 406 ... your local body shop can get the Fusor line.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328615
I'm working on gathering info on any comparible 3M products IF available and truly comparible.
The Chart below will describe the differnt part numbers/sizes and cure times.
.
and talked to an application engineer for about 40 minutes.
Seems that there is an alternative to the 406-19GB.
I also found out why the 406-19GB has been so illusive for consumers to buy.
Heck... the Fusor products are avaiable through Amazon and Ebay too!
Price is similar for both products (406 compared to Fusor) in the 50 ml size... BUT the larger sizes of the adhesives... the 406 gets the nod for
price as large size in the Fusor is 225ml and the 406 is 375ml (over 50% more at the same price in the 406)
... both are in the $50 ballpark price in the larger sizes. They both use different plugers (4:1 compared to 2:1)
Most local body shop supply stores have or can get the Fusor products whereas the 406-19GB must be
ordered through an industrial supplier.
Lord also makes their Fusor Metal bonding adhesives that are Methacrillate composition.
It seems that the Fusor 108B/109B, 110B/111B, 112B/113B adhesives are for job shops
and the 400 series are intended for the OEM.
They both, 400 and Fusor series, share the same base Acrylic material..they both use the 400 series base...
but they have different catalysts.
Both are available in "GB" (glass bead) formulations so they are less prone to sagging... the Fusor is more consumer-friendly
in terms of having longer open-times to assemble the product... with the 112B/113B up to 70 min
It seems that the Fusor must have a good cleaning and wipe to it... where the 406 is more tollerant of mill oils
and residue on the surface of the metal.
I did find out from the application engineer at Lord that both are compatible with application on Powder coated items
and/or without abrasion BUT...both would benefit greatly from removal of the pow coat in the bond area and abrasion.
See this link for the package of the 406 ... your local body shop can get the Fusor line.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328615
I'm working on gathering info on any comparible 3M products IF available and truly comparible.
The Chart below will describe the differnt part numbers/sizes and cure times.
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