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800 CFI's... look at this, might be on to something

diamonddave

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I was dooing a little maintenance on my 09 D8 today (300 miles), popped off the airbox to clean t-bodies and reeds and noticed this...


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How's the oil level you ask?


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So...this leads me to first check the vent in the cap. This is where things get very interesting: The cap's vent has a check valve in it that is designed to close off when the attitude of the sled and its oil tank changes from a relative parallel state. The reason for this is so the vent doesn't leak oil when the sled rolls. Observe the angle at which the cap is to the ground.

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The problem with this vent is that (at least mine) is when I tilt the cap 20 degrees or more, the vent plugs off. If you look at the caps angle when screwed on the oil tank, the angle vertical plane (ground) is roughly 20 degrees.

As my sled sits in my garage, with the cap screwed on the tank, I cannot suck air through the vent with my vaccum tester. So I take the cap off, rattle/shake the oil caps vent check valve a little, reinstalll the cap and now I get a vacuum.


So I repeat this a few times. It's about 50/50 whether the check valve opens to allow tank venting. So I lift the front end up a little to make the cap more parallel with the ground and things get a little better. But this doesn't fix the problem.


There is NO way that this check valve in the vent on my cap will work. The window of opening of the check valve is so small relative to the attitude (angle to the horizontal plane basically the ground) that there is no way that the oil tank will be vented in all conditions. Heck, it's not even venting siiting on the ground in my garage without shaking the cap half the time.

So I have 2 problems here, an oil filter that is plugged or defective at 300 miles and an oil cap that doesn't function correctly. While the cap is defective, is it the cause of the air in my line? Is this just a case of a bad cap/vent, or is this happening to other RAW's.


Sled has been sitting in the garage for a couple weeks since it's last ride. This isn't very easy to see without the airbox removal. I would rec all CFI's check this
 
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Our local dealer had a 2011 rmk on display and I notice that it also had an air bubble in the oil line in the same spot as shown in your pics. I don't remember how many miles were on it but thought it was odd to see any air bubbles in an oil line.
 
I haven't seen a bubble in my line and have had plenty of time to see it. My sled has always used plenty of oil as well. Interesting point though.
 
Does any one remember the older Skidoos....the ones with the oil pump on the rope pull?? They always had an air bubble in the feed line...no matter how many times you would bleed it....

I wonder if this is a problem or a common occurrence...this is very interesting....

Since almost all brands have Mikuni oil pumps, is this common?....is the D8 pump Mikuni?..

Lets all look into this....Great job guys, but lets not bet the farm on it yet..
 
I will tell you that if your vent was plugged you would know it, you won't get the air bubble because if you undo the oil line it will not flow. I know this from experience. I have seen other threads on here about air bubbles in the oil line but not sure what they said cause I did not read it. the filter could cause it I would think, I have seen in the past on older sleds with lots of miles losing oil because of the filter being plugged. I would probably rule out the cap and would bleed the line at the pump and see what it does. if you loosen the bleeder screw on the oil pump you should see it flow. I have not looked at mine so I have no idea whether mine has a air bubble or not. I just know mine goes through oil
 
just drill a little hole outside the inner circle,problem solved..There it now has a vent

on the 2011 sled the oil tank is mounted above the drive belt so if one were to drill a hole in the cap and tip the machine over you'll have oil getting on the clutches and belt.
 
My o9 d8 and my buddies both have had the same air bubble all year and no problems. I even asked my dealer and they said it was common,they said it has something to do with the way the oil line is routed.
 
on the 2011 sled the oil tank is mounted above the drive belt so if one were to drill a hole in the cap and tip the machine over you'll have oil getting on the clutches and belt.

Just put a plactic bag or ziploc, then close it and it is now covered..Thats what i do..
 
I will tell you that if your vent was plugged you would know it, you won't get the air bubble because if you undo the oil line it will not flow. I know this from experience. I have seen other threads on here about air bubbles in the oil line but not sure what they said cause I did not read it. the filter could cause it I would think, I have seen in the past on older sleds with lots of miles losing oil because of the filter being plugged. I would probably rule out the cap and would bleed the line at the pump and see what it does. if you loosen the bleeder screw on the oil pump you should see it flow. I have not looked at mine so I have no idea whether mine has a air bubble or not. I just know mine goes through oil


I always thought I was too, roughly about 50:1. I know the cap/vent isn't causing the air buble right now, however, there is NO way to know if this cap (mine) is causing issues during riding in ever changing adverse attitudes. I will be dooing something about this cap.

I would invite others to check their caps to see if mine is just an anomily or if there is something to this. I think with the many different issues we are seeing with the 800 CFI, nothing should be overlooked.

You can simply remove your cap and suck through the vent hole and move the cap in different angles to see. Mine will close at anything more than 10-20 degrees.


My o9 d8 and my buddies both have had the same air bubble all year and no problems. I even asked my dealer and they said it was common,they said it has something to do with the way the oil line is routed.

I noticed this also. The filter just barely runs up hill where it's wire tied to the aluminum bracket before it runs downhill. I will be addresing this issue as well.

After talking with a couple Polaris gurus (I will not state their names but we all know who they are, ) Polaris is starting to deny warranty claims for very small, little reasons. Based on this, IMO, we are pretty much on our own, so figuring this crap out is vital.
 
Dave,

Are you sure that the air bubble was not there when you bought it?

Pop the lower clamp off... pull the line off just enough to let the oil run and fill the line with oil till it comes out the hose... push it back on clamp it and clean up.. (put a rag under the lines).

I have yet to see a newer oil filter clog unless the owner put in dirty oil or left the cap off after filling and dirt got in there.

My sled had the same bubble... gone now with the same process and never to return... I double checked for any other air bubbles in the line.
 
BTW... The vent only has to let air in on ocassion and only in small amounts.

I doubt you have a defective cap...but anything is possible.

Best of luck my friend.
 
You can simply remove your cap and suck through the vent hole and move the cap in different angles to see. Mine will close at anything more than 10-20 degrees.

My cap is the same and I don't have a bubble. I'd do as MH recommends.
 
Mountain Horse....never is a long long time...lol...bold statement....

on older Skidoos we would bleed the pump how you desribe...the bubble would be gone for a while and show up some time later....easy to see cause the oil pump was right on the rope starter...

...Doo factory said it was normal...just think we should not be so finite with our vision...
 
Dave,

Are you sure that the air bubble was not there when you bought it?

Pop the lower clamp off... pull the line off just enough to let the oil run and fill the line with oil till it comes out the hose... push it back on clamp it and clean up.. (put a rag under the lines).

I have seen this and done as above on 4 out of 25 sleds that I updated so it is fairly common to have that air bubble is it causing problems? Most likely not since there was no signs of problems with the engine on any that had the bubble in the oil line,Get a PCV and all the 800 engine problems go away.
 
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