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Storms 7-10 FEB up to 3 feet

donbrown

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Storm flurries next couple days ... up to 1/2 water around TAHOE ... 3-6 inches snow..

NEW Storm rolling in Friday-SAT 7-8 FEB then done Monday 10 FEBRUARY

THIS IS A WEEK AWAY SO DONT BANK ON IT !

NOAA placing a 30% chance of storm likely with the most water dropped from
SHASTA to SONORA PASS to SAN FRANCISCO
 
RUBIES a foot same time period 1.04 in H2O


South of Mammoth maybe 1-2 feet

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OLANCHA PEAK ABOVE MAP

My first season ride ... ALL trail was 2 feet at 9000 feet 31 JAN and was 1 foot 1 FEB

35 trail miles 7500 to SHERMAN PASS then north side and back again.

Mt WHITNEY IN BACKGROUND




SHERMAN PASS over 9200 FT ELE



Olancha PEAK above map ... Whitney to the left

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LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OFF OVER OCEAN by NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CAUSING MOISTURE TO DUMP MOSTLY IN OCEAN.

Today 3 FEB forecast (compared to 2 FEB forecast) shows decrease in area getting 3 I water/ 3 feet of snow for 7-10 FEB.
 
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Hey Great! Musta been rewarding at least to get out on such a clear day.

Very happy to ride !

Gets me thinking of how not 5 years ago we were unimpressed when there was 3-4 feet at 9000 snow level marker.

Boy how the times have changed!
 
LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OFF OVER OCEAN by NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CAUSING MOISTURE TO DUMP MOSTLY IN OCEAN.

Today 3 FEB forecast (compared to 2 FEB forecast) shows decrease in area getting 3 I water/ 3 feet of snow for 7-10 FEB.

compared to 2 FEB forecast) shows decrease in area getting 3 I water/ 3 feet of snow for 7-10 FEB.
__________________What does this mean? Decrease of sno?
 
compared to 2 FEB forecast) shows decrease in area getting 3 I water/ 3 feet of snow for 7-10 FEB.
__________________What does this mean? Decrease of sno?

The map is 'changing" based on forecasting computer models.

On Sunday it showed a "major area" around Tahoe area getting 3 in H20 / 3 feet SNOW and Mt Shasta getting ABOUT 2 FEET.
What I meant as major area is just south of Susanville to Sonora

now 7pm PST 3 FEB IT IS SHOWING TAHOE area getting 1-2 feet and MT SHASTA getting 4 plus feet !

BUT BUT there is a "small area" north of TAHOE getting 4 plus feet. 7-9 FEB The "small area"appears to be just north of Boreal to Independence L:ake.

But in all likelihood the "dumping" will occur just south of where the low pressure moves across the Sierras.

Here are the forecasting maps

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/day4-7.shtml

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Now RUBIES 1.4 in H2O 9-11 FEB
Boreal to Independence Lake 4.5 in H2O ... area getting more H20 but size of area getting smaller rest of area Susanville to Sonora getting 1-2 in H2O
 
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Nice to see the pics Don. I'm surprised to even see a foot at the Vista, the webcam on top of Sherman didn't look like that much.

I'm still waiting for the first ride.... looking pretty dismal..... maybe we'll finally get lucky, but I'm not holding my breath anymore.


Were you able to ride down the 101 to the Yurt or did you run out of snow below the Vista??
 
Nice to see the pics Don. I'm surprised to even see a foot at the Vista, the webcam on top of Sherman didn't look like that much.

I'm still waiting for the first ride.... looking pretty dismal..... maybe we'll finally get lucky, but I'm not holding my breath anymore.


Were you able to ride down the 101 to the Yurt or did you run out of snow below the Vista??

Unloaded where the second EXTREME Sherman PEAK JEEP road that goes straight up.


I rode to the YURT and it was snowing a little. Was deepest between the yurt and north side of Sherman Pass. Only rode the 101.


It was very thin where it always gets between the mountains where you can see the fire look out by the wilderness area.

NFS Bob road up to the pass just before the storm and there was no snow just icy spots.

Planning a road trip somewhere the middle of the month.
 
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Mammoth weather forecaster see no SIGNIFICANT snow fall (less than a foot) for MAMMOTH BUT there might be a dumping north of Mammoth to Washington on Sunday 9 February.

Another Cold System will move through Thursday and Friday with warm advection pattern developing over the weekend…..Thus freezing levels on the rise over the weekend….


Tuesday February 4, 2014


Posted at 9:54 am by Howard

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I have looked at the all the guidance this morning and the west coast ridge is still doing the same thing. That is, moving back and forth between 140West and 120west. So either its going to be colder then normal and drier then normal or, warmer then normal and drier then normal. In either situation and in between we can get light or occasionally a moderate shots of precipitation. However, your not going to get to the pattern that we want along the west coast without a shift in the high latitude block in the -WPO position eastward to the -EPO.

The MJO has been locked in 6/7 and it keeps circulating the same like a skipping record. If this were a moderately strong Enso year the subtropical jet would have swept the legs out from under the current west coast pattern.

Now a new Climatologist claims that “it is” the negative phase of the PDO with the addition of the neutral ENSO conditions for the excessive west coast dryness. The claim is that during the negative phase of the PDO and with its protracted cycle in time, drought over the west are more common because of the effect of weaker and far fewer warm phase El Nino Events. Possibly……there is certainly more logic in that statement as compared to others lately. One comment about the weather in the east this winter, is that this years winter has proven that the AO and NAO in the positive phase can certainly produce very cold winters without those oscillations being in their deep negative phase for long periods of time. Which is more of a concern to long range forecasters I think.

WX discussion:

OK….here we go again….

With the eastern pacific ridge out about 135 to 140west, another system will makes its way into the pacific NW over the next few days allowing another shot of very cold air to advect into the Great Basin. There will be an increase of wind over the crest Wednesday into Thursday as the heights fall north to south instead of the preferable west to east. The upper Jet is going to spin up to the south of us, pulling in a little pacific air and moisture for some light snowfall Thursday 6 FEB and into the night. (2 to 5 inches snow). Then as the system shifts east Friday, the upper jet will lift north through us into the Pacific Northwest over the weekend and become anti cyclonically curved. Thereafter, the upper ridge axis sets up over or just off the CA coast for an extended period. Meanwhile over the weekend, the hose appears to be pointed at Northern CA and eventually the pacific northwest. So again Mammoth gets the southern remains of the moisture fetch with higher snow levels over the weekend and early next week.

Looking at the climate models, they still insist upon a significant wet period, for the northern and central sierra in their 45 day outlooks. However, either they are totally wrong, or they are too fast, as I see nothing in the ensemble’s suggesting that this far south.

Yes….with an anti cyclonically curved jet as by buddy Tom C points out, you can get significant precipitation with heights between 576DM and 570DM. However, I have not seen any sign of any sustained robust upper subtropical jet anywhere near this latitude/longitude to suggest that is going to happen yet, except possibly this Sunday for a time. We might get a moderate shot of precipitation from the Hose to the north of us. Otherwise, we wait and wait for later in February and March, while hoping our water storage will be blessed with more water….



Dr Howard and the Dweebs……………………………:-)
.- See more at: http://mammothweather.com/#sthash.WrYxQf4u.dpuf
 
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national Weather service increasing water amounts and increasing surface area for MAJOR DUMPING starting THURDAY 6 FEB thru WED the 12th of FEB.

TOTAL: water amounts ... Tahoe area 4.3 plus inches

California coast north of San Fran into Eureka, MT SHASTA over 5 inches water

OREGON west half of state over 2.5 inches

The RUIBIES over 2.5 inches water

Salt Lake City area over 2 inches water.

Northern New Mexico 1.4 inches water.

Idaho over an inch

West Yellowstone 1.5 inches H20

Colorado 1.5 to 2 inches H20

If it dumps below freezing expect a foot of snow for every inch of water

How likely .... forecast is at 60% probability AND AND my observation is a strong low pressure off coast of California/Oregon border drawing a HUGE band of water from Hawaii. There are multiple low pressure systems expected to br around the west coast up to Alaska !
 
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you guys could use every inch of that,has that high pressure causing the drought finally moved?

There are now multiple low pressures from Alaska to Mexico drawing the moisture in. The problem is MOST of the low pressures are over the ocean ... so MOST of the rain/snow dumps into the ocean.

Some of them are going to combine and maybe (60% chance) come ashore around Calif Oregon border and do a dump. up to 6 inches of rain in some areas

The drought here is very serious BUT it is not talked about much in the city.

Went on my first sled ride 31Jan-1Feb and there was only a foot at 9500 feet . The past 12 months in California is the lowest rain / snow in recorded history. California get most of its water from mountains and the reservoirs are filled less than 10% capacity

Los Angeles average is about 12 inches a year and last couple years average around 2 inches. Up high in the Sierras it is typically 30-50 inches for the year and now it is less than 10 inches.
 
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Two weather systems are on their way to NorCal beginning Wednesday night and continuing through early next week. The first storm will be colder with lower snow levels 500-1500 feet around Shasta , impacting both foothill and mountain roadways Sierras 2500-3500 feet. 5-8 FEB Maybe 2 feet max

The second storm will be wetter and warmer, and heavy snowfall is expected over the Sierra roadways above 6000ft. Mountain travel is not encouraged due to chain controls and delays during these storms. Up to 4 feet
 
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The local forecast here is calling for snow at lower elevations starting tonight, Wednesday, and lasting through Sunday evening. They are predicting 1" tonight in the valleys and 2-4" tomorrow. That doesn't sound like much, but up high that will produce A LOT of moisture. My house sits around 5300' and we have snow in the yard for the first time this year (snow that hasn't melted the day after it fell that is).
 
Pineapple express is a comin ... break out the life raft !

massive massive massive amounts of water expected

BUT WILL BE VERY WARM AFTER IT DROPS ABOVE FREEZING AT 8000 feet on SUNDAY between the second storm

OKAY OKAY THESE NUMBER ARE HARD TO BELIEVE BUT IF THEY HAPPEN :face-icon-small-ton


Another Cold System will move through Thursday and Friday with warm advection pattern developing over the weekend…..Thus freezing levels on the rise over the weekend….


Tuesday February 4, 2014


Posted at 9:54 am by Howard
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Wednesday AM Update:

The guidance has changed over the past 24 hours and has trended wetter for MAMMOTH for both storms causing it to be not as cold Additionally, with less amplification upstream, pacific air will become more dominant over time Friday and into the weekend as the pattern actually becomes more Zonal. This is really a change over the short to medium term.

1. Model guidance has shown a significant change over the past few days in less amplification of the off shore eastern pacific ridge, and thus much less deepening with the modified arctic air over the northwest into the far west. Much of this cold air mass in the pacific north-west will now become more stretched out east-west with the bulk of it heading east. The western portion will assist cyclogeneses as the upper flow becomes confluent with the upper jets off shore. As the upper flow becomes rapidly west to east Thursday, the first system takes a more southerly track as heights are pretty low at that point in time. That main target is the southern and central sierra including Mammoth Lakes. I would not be surprised if the town got 6+ inches snow by Friday AM and the upper elevation well over a foot as snow to water ration’s will be pretty high. CAliofornia cement type snow


2. The second system is also trending wetter. In fact this is an atmospheric river related system that now has impressive precipitable water amounts forecasted to 2 inches for the MAMMOTH AREA. The trajectory is from the Hawaiian islands and although the main focus is still Northern California, is has trended a bit south of late. PINEAPPLE EXPRESS

Any further shift south by Saturday could result in heavier precip amounts for mammoth sierra over the upper elevations in the 1 to 2 inches range. At a 10:1 ratio, that could be an additional 10 to 20 inches above 10K WHICH IS THE HEAVY CALIFORNIA CEMENT TYPE SNOW. The freezing level will rise close to 10,000 feet by Sunday. So what ever snow falls in town Saturday, will become pretty mushy by Sunday 9 FEB.


Stay tuned……..I will update either later today or again in the AM…….



Dr Howard and the Dweebs…………………:-)
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TOTAL: water amounts from NOAA NWS 5 FEB 10AM

... Tahoe area 6.5 plus inches

California coast north of San Fran into Eureka, MT SHASTA over 8.2 inches water

OREGON west half of state over 4 inches

The RUIBIES over 3 inches water

Salt Lake City area over 3.4 inches water.

Northern New Mexico 1.1 inches water.

Idaho northern 1.5 southern 2.4

West Yellowstone 2.4 inches H20

Colorado 1.5 to 2.5 inches H20

Please check temperatures cause Mammoth lakes forecaster is saying it will be above freezing between storms Sunday 9 FEB in town at 8000 feet.
 
Looking juicey this weekend!! hope it nukes cuz I know everyone is ready to get some.
 
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